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Old 12-06-2011, 06:47 PM   #1
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Fair enough, but in doing so you're indirectly saying "unusualness can mean giftedness" which, when taken together with Lottie saying Bom is acting unusually, looks to me like you're pointing out a possible gifted - which is something I can't see an innocent doing.
If that's the price I have to pay for pointing out others' suspicious behaviour, then so be it. And I doubt the wolves are going to attack Bom thinking he's a gifted just because he's "behaving unusually" - they need more than that. So basically what I said matters not.

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Because I've said as much in my first post, and I don't have to repeat everything I say all over, do I?
In this case I'd say it would've been appropriate because otherwise you're just throwing random suspicion towards the unfortunate people who happened to be around at the beginning.
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Old 12-06-2011, 06:50 PM   #2
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To look like the cobbler, which I actually said in my first post about him.
And risk getting dreamed? Nah. And if I was a gifted I'd totally try to attract the seer's attention and then find a way to exchange information and then do something awesome... so again, it isn't that simple.

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Old 12-06-2011, 06:54 PM   #3
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What was the rule on tied voting btw.?
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What was the rule on tied voting btw.?
Tied vote. The person who reached the tie LAST will be lynched.
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What was the rule on tied voting btw.?
Last person to get the tying vote dies, I believe.
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Old 12-08-2011, 12:32 AM   #7
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Old 12-08-2011, 02:06 PM   #8
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Here and how dare you kill my wife? This means war!

I am torn about Nogrod. He started in his usual way and I thought him innocent, and I have stubbornly refused to suspect him since just because so many others did. In my opinion, he's often surprisingly illogical for a philosophy teacher but that doesn't necessarily make him a wolf. Or then it does and I'm just so used to it that I keep ignoring it. Whatever.

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I told you. There are two.

I feel worse about Greenie after reading Kit's analysis. I don't exactly remember what I thought of her yesterday (apart from something like "she never sits right with me what should I do with her"), but now I get this feeling she was trying to corner Nog because she knows how stubbornly he can defend a point - which often makes him look bad in the end.

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And her bread ruined! From this Day forth, the village will be forced to depend on the inferior wares of so-called "cook" (and noted backstabber) Galadriel55.
Excuse me? As if I couldn't bake bread just as well as my beloved late wife!

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if two busy people are the most active what does it tell about the others?
Dear Nog, you know it tells more about us than them. Not everyone is an obsessive no-life loudmouth.

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Of Lottie's two other options, one was "wolf impersonating cobbler" - so I felt obliged to point out that Bom always looks like the cobbler anyway. Makes sense?
Kind of, but it still seems like reading too much. It's a very pre-emptive defence against a minor point which almost puts me in mind of a Greenie/Bom team.
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Kind of, but it still seems like reading too much. It's a very pre-emptive defence against a minor point which almost puts me in mind of a Greenie/Bom team.
Now who's reading too much? Please show me a major point that early into Day 1. As it was, that was the only on-topic thing that seemed even remotely worth commenting.


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Aganzir - Needs to stop deliberately confusing people with a stupid inside joke about two wolf packs. Not funny and not fair. Other than that - she's kind of very sharp and very off at the same time. Either the most innocent or the most evil of the lot, but I haven't yet decided which.

Bom - Has slipped under my radar, I have no recollection of who he's suspected or what points he's made.

Galadriel55 - Likewise sleeping under my reindeer, I do remember the rushed Nerwen vote which could really be anything, and the useless argument later yesterDay about her comment on having more time during the Night phase. So no idea.

Kitanna - Looks fine this far.

Loslote - Looks more innocent than not. There's been a lot of debate (by myself, among others) about her backing off Bom early yesterDay. I still stand where I did - I don't see anything particularly furry about that.

Nogrod - Needs to calm down a notch. I haven't changed my mind since yesterDay, I still find him fluffy. (Whoops, meant to write "furry"!! What would Freud say? ) He criticized me for sticking to my suspicion of him based on his grasping at straws with Lottie even after he explained it, but the thing is, the explanation didn't convince me so here we are.

Nerwen - No idea as yet.

Pitchwife - I keep flip-flopping on him, too - I agree with him on many points, but he seems a bit touchy, don't have a better word for it.

Sally - Too little to go on.

Shasta - Liking what I've seen this far, though I know how good he is at fooling me completely.
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Old 12-08-2011, 02:51 PM   #11
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But the next question then is, why did the wolves not choose someone who would point more in the wrong direction (leave a false trace)?

Am I being a tree stump and missing something obvious?
I dunno - false traces are still traces, aren't they? And since everyone knows whatever trace the wolves leave may as well be false as not, every false trace will be taken with quite a large pinch of salt. Still, since pretty much any kill can be traced to pretty much anyone, I don't think speculating too much on why they chose Kath is going to do us a whole lot of good. At least, not until we have a little more information on other things.
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Also - where is everyone? Quadruple-posting is kind of depressing, especially since I want to go to sleep quite soon and would like some discussion before that..
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Old 12-08-2011, 04:04 PM   #13
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I'm flipflopping about Kit at the moment. Her comment on the Bom-Zil-Lottie triangle yesterDay didn't sit right with me, but that may have been me seeing things. Her long posts yesterDay and toDay look fair enough at first sight, balanced and independent (as in agreeing with Greenie's points against Nog but not with Zil piggybacking on them), but things have changed a lot over Night:

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Inzil's vote for Nog seems like a piggyback on Greenie's suspicious. Aside from Nog, she's made the best case for a lynch candidate and it's not even that strong. (I don't expect any to be that strong toDAy though)[...]
Greenie makes a decent point about Nog
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[QUOTE0Kit #106]Greenie puts words into Nog's mouth and Lottie's mouth in one sentence. I'm impressed.
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Lottie never said "never mind that person" but rather "never mind that particular point against that person" - which is something an innocent can afford to say.
I suppose you could call "never mind that particular point..." putting words in Lottie's mouth, but "never mind that person" is a verbatim Nog-quote.

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Ok, Greenie said a lot without saying a lot. She jumps on a comment about Nog from Pitch that was pretty bad for a suspicion, even by Day 1 standards. Then she twists what Lottie says by twisting what Nog said.
So yes, I know, wolves can be consistent while innocents may need to change their minds, but I'd still like to hear how "making a decent point" and "the best case for a lynch candidate" became "said a lot with saying a lot" and twisting words? Especially as Kit seems to me to be largely echoing Nog's self defense.

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Old 12-08-2011, 06:30 PM   #14
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Oh and Pitch guess what I'm going to do if you're a baddie? Hint: it has to do with Germany, cigarettes and explosives!

I don't like there being so few people around. I'd really love to lynch Shasta but I'm worried it might be difficult!
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And Boro what's your modkill policy? Because if it's two consecutive non-votes, sally should go today, right?
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I am worried Nog is the cobbler who tries to get me lynched today and maybe go down tomorrow himself for an easy-ish wolf victory on day 4.

Grr where is everyone?
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Here, cursing the traffic...



Last update on impressions:

Pitch still looks innocent.

Agan and Nog attract too much attention.

Greenie still sensible, but... I don't know. Can't decide about her.

Bom and sally are hiding. Nerwen is nowhere to be found either. But I want to see her more than the other two. This game is the first game that I played in that she doesn't freak me out, and, considering how sharp she is, it's quite a thing. I want more evidence for this phenomenon.

Lottie seems innocent... but again, she's a bit too sweet-tongued for my taste.

Kit... no opinion.

Edit: forgot Shasta. His Aganalysis is not at all unreasonable.

Edit2: xed with Sally
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He is not yet dead (and I know, we're nearly at the end)

We must celebrate the joys in Boro's life! Sing with me, my fellow villagers!


Shasta:
Boromir, I really must admit it
You sure were a special kind of mod
We’ll all miss you, sir
But I guess it ensures
That we don’t have you and Sally acting odd

Sally:
His name is....Boromir
Did it get hot in here?
I think he might be near
I just might swoon

Shasta: You two

Sally:
Boro, I love you so
Why did you have to go?
I had yet to

Yes, that’s my Boromir
He’s always full of cheer
He likes to flirt with dear old me
And if he’s really dead
We’ll have a boring thread
And I may have to scream

You're a mod who really is just playing
With all of our tiny simple minds
You’re not really dead! Saw it on the thread!
So that must mean you’re still really mine

*cupcake dance*

His name is Boromir
And he’s still posting here
Through Nights we’ll scheme our lives away

Shasta:
No way...

Sally:
I’m just so happy since
I found my long-lost prince

Shasta:
Sally, will you just accept that Boro’s mostly D-E-

Sally:
D-E-N-Y

Everyone:
He died!

Sally: Aw, guys!



(Original here. That is all. Now that I've rushed that along, it's time to get down to business.)
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And Boro what's your modkill policy? Because if it's two consecutive non-votes, sally should go today, right?
I really hadn't considered it at all to be honest, it slipped my mind. How?

I think since I didn't even have any policy in the Admin thread it would only be fair that if starting today. If anyone doesn't vote for 2 consecutive days (barring some convincing argument that the person makes me aware of) then you'll be modfired. Starting today, so those who didn't vote on Day 1, it won't count against them. But 2 consecutive days of not voting from this point on, is a modfire.
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I wouldn't say I trusted him enough to save his life yesterday
Which is what you did.

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I didn't intend to pose as the seer if that's what you guys think - or I kind of did, but didn't really.
That's one option I considered yesterDay, but I could also imagine you and him as packmates; or, since I don't think you'd defend a packmate that openly, your actions would make even more sense for a cobbler who thought Nog might be a wolf.

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I'd really love to lynch Shasta but I'm worried it might be difficult!
I'm not fully at ease about him, but for toDay, I'm afraid you'd have to do that without me.
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++Nog

Because I don't think his arguments have been very strong at all toDay, I think most of them have faulty reasoning which leads to faulty conclusions, and because I do not like having poor arguments used to make me look suspicious. To be perfectly fair, I'm not sure how much of this is my own bias, but I do honestly think he's acting suspicious as well.

EDIT: xed with everything since before Pitch's vote
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Because I don't think his arguments have been very strong at all toDay
Show me a strong argument from this Day1...
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And I suppose they can also read the thread before it gets written?
Seriously, vote and go to bed.
Ahaha Pitch gets a free pass because he's the funniest person ever! <3

I'm also liking Kit even though I only managed to skim her post.

Gal - Nerwen
Kath - Inzil
Inzil - Nog
Greenie - Nog 2 (xed with Zil's vote)
Shasta - Inzil 2
Pitch - Zil 3
Lottie - Nog 3
Kit - Inzil 4

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Old 12-06-2011, 06:57 PM   #25
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Old 12-06-2011, 06:52 PM   #26
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If that's the price I have to pay for pointing out others' suspicious behaviour, then so be it. And I doubt the wolves are going to attack Bom thinking he's a gifted just because he's "behaving unusually" - they need more than that. So basically what I said matters not.


In this case I'd say it would've been appropriate because otherwise you're just throwing random suspicion towards the unfortunate people who happened to be around at the beginning.
I don't see how you can say possibly pointing out a gifted to the wolves "matters not" based on how you think the wolves are going to act. I also don't see what's so suspicious about saying you think someone's behavior merits suspicion, which is really all I got out of Lottie's post. Whereas your post basically says "I think Bom is gifted" which is almost always a bad thing to mention.
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