TIG XCIII - Betrayal at Henneth Annûn (Game thread)

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Serious enough in the sense that if I had had to vote then, it's likely I would've based my vote on them. Also if I had had to vote then, there wouldn't have been anything more serious.

You weren't serious in the list, though. Not entirely, right? Right?


Right now I'm thinking if wolf!Agan would really do the "classic BN trick", or if wolf!Boro would really come this way at an innocent (strongly suspecting someone based on... what exactly?). Somehow I don't see either happening.

Explanations please!

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

No, not paranoid. Silly.

Seriously, if there was one serious word in that suspicion list I'm a better singer than Luthien. Same goes for all the joking to follow.

It's almost a tradition for someone to make joke-suspicion lists on the "morning" of Day 1, just for laughs. It's fun. And yes, I was lazy this time, so I didn't make one for everyone. And if I wouldn't have made it, someone else probably would have.

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Nate jokingly accuses me, but I don't get it, so I reply in all earnesty. Misunderstanding settled.

Jumpy much?

Really, though, that much defensiveness about a Day 1, semi-IC post (from a first-time player, no less) makes me think that you might have something to hide. G55 just jumped to the top of my suspect list.

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Boro

Anyway, my goal in this crew is to be the Gary Oldman as seen in Red Riding Hood. Have some fun with it, possibly be dramatically over-acting, but key point being, one rockin' bad wolf...erm BN...finder. It probably doesn't help if no one's seen it...wouldn't blame them, because crap movie, but seriously Oldman makes it worth watching.

Err - your goal is to be bad at hunting wolves? I sincerely hope not. (And yes, that movie is crap, but Oldman is good fun and I won't deny Jeremy Irons' son is a cutie. )

Ahem. Back on topic - the back-and-forth between Agan and Boro is very interesting. I'm reserving judgment on both for now; I want to see a bit more before making up my mind. On one hand, my gut says Boro is genuine enough (though I remember saying this before and remember, also, promising never to trust him again) and knowing him, he might really have spotted something others didn't. On the other hand, if there was something to spot in Agan's post I clearly missed it and, also knowing Boro, he might just try and pull off an easy Agan lynch (her being a relatively popular Day 1 lynch anyway), starting with a suspicion he has no need of argumenting any further than some secret code he managed to crack. It is also possible that they are both genuinely innocent, meaning that Boro found a lead that isn't actually there. So, as yet, I'm undecided.


EDIT: x-ed with Lottie

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I have now read through all the posts twice without coming up with much, this can hopefully be attributed to it being day1 and the excessive silliness that has become the trade mark of the rangers(and not to any lack of skill on my part).

I found myself increasingly annoyed with the banter and random silliness, which was taken much too far. I think that both Nogrod and Aganzir’s frustrations are completely understandable and that we need to pull our selves together.

Boromir’s argument that it is entirely possible to have fun, be overdramatic and play a serious game of werewolf at the same time does have some merit. However until recently, the seriousness that was supposed to lie behind the silliness has been hard to spot.

Pommy’s (I am used to Lommy playing in these games, so you will have to serve as a substitute) joke-accusation against Galadriel was of course a banality, but a breath of fresh air. It for a brief moment changed the discourse and we were actually being productive and generating material worth analysing.

Thoughts such as those expressed by Aganzir and Lottie can of course be dismissed as attempts at “easy” lynches, but based on what has happened so far they seem quite reasonable.

Personally I don’t like the way BomT made excuses for his voting future voting pattern in a post otherwise written in jest. I am probably over critical, because of how annoyed I got reading through all the jesting again.

[Galadriel55]

Rune, do you have any suggestions of what we could bounce talk of? There's the Agan-Boro matter, but they didn't come to elaborate yet. It's good to say "let's talk seriously", but you also have to consider that there's hardly anything to talk seriously of.

[Pomegranate]

I actually do agree with Lottie in her accusation of G55:s jumpiness, adding to her material G55:s reaction to Agan's comment:

You weren't serious in the list, though. Not entirely, right? Right?

I can understand that's half-joking, but it exists anyway. And besides, Agan wasn't even saying she would've voted for her. Not that it would be anything but someone not wanting to fall out of the game on the first day, it's still, I think, more suspicious than anything else we have.

Except Boro's accusation on Agan, which seems strangely serious at this point of the game. With the decision not to reveal what he saw, it's definitely curious. I'm not sure what to make of it, however, not just yet.

[Boromir88]

Starting here:

Originally Posted by Greenie

Err - your goal is to be bad at hunting wolves? I sincerely hope not.

Touche, but you can't judge a fellow's career based on one instance of failing. And note, I did not say hunt, but find...slightly different, but different none the less. (And intentionally different).

Originally Posted by G55

Explanations please!

Patience. There was never any doubt I would explain (and Agan knows this as well), but the doubt is when will I? I've probably seen about as much reaction from others as can be hoped for so...Shall we?

Originally Posted by Agan

However I'll be around to finish the dance later because a friend just came over and is making impatient noises in the kitchen.

Oh, we are dancing now? *secretly fist pumps* I should hope I'm better than last time we danced, or I dare say this will end badly for the both of us, but mostly for me.

So, guessing that Agan really was moderately annoyed by the early day behavior, but also knowing even if she was it wouldn't point either to being a BN or innocent I wanted to inquire further. And since she loves drilling us slacks into shape, I knew her post would be the first with any real meaning or relevance. Which is always a good thing, and it's what I love about Agan in these situations, but again, it wouldn't point either to BN or innocent. To BN or not to BN? That is the question.

Now the post did strike me as suspicious enough to comment on it. As I said, the mock vote statement, is part of it, but not all. Instead of revealing all of it immediately, I wanted to draw attention to the post and get other responses to it. What better way than to give a teaser and then a vague "you see it!" Because while I am suspicious, I can not actually know the answer of the million dollar question, and it would pain me awfully to see Agan be lynched so soon on the chance that I was wrong.

So the full explanation, of the classic BN attempt. Knowing Agan wanted to cut the garbage and get down to business, then her lists would be more meaningful than G55's list of randomness (no offense G55, just meaning I can deduce Agan's reactions and feelings on people, because there's more meaning going into her list). And believe it or not, it's actually what she says about G55:

Galadriel55. Says Bom is guilty of making jokes when he starts making them. Does this mean she didn't take it as a joke when he said he's wolves with her and sally? Encouraged by Boro, she takes her guilty accusations of randomness entirely too far.

And then her reaction to Pomegranate:

Pomegranate. Contrary to what G55 suggested (jumpy are we?), I don't believe her first post was entirely serious. Not voting for her either because it's her fist game and all.

(bolding my emphasis)

Combine that with what she says at the end:

If I had to vote right now, I'd be willing to go for one of those who have been posting mock votes. Namely Bom, Glirdan or sally.

And we have the classic "let me give you all some suspicions, see which ones stick, but distract you with threatening to vote those who are being less helpful at the moment" trick. That is to say, you were willing to vote based on either being annoyed, or to scare Bom, Glirdan, and sally into shaping up and NOT based on suspicions...yet you did the whole "let me give you some suspicions" thing well enough. And it seems to have worked since Lottie has now jumped on your comment about G55 being "jumpy"...wow we are a jumping bunch today.

Anyway I dare to hope you know me better than to say I would take the quick & easy way as a BN.

Hmm...perhaps, you do certainly love the challenge. But, you would know I can be a good challenge...unless we actually are dancing. But I don't mean "classic and quick" as a slight upon your shining brilliance, if indeed you are a BN. Because you know I would do the same...that is lynching and killing based on emotions, annoyance, and who's getting on my nerve.

Now I know Boro is Boro and does all weird kinds of stuff on Day 1, but I don't know what to make of his attack against me. He should know I'm not one to try and do classic BN tricks in my first post (emphasis on 'try' - either I pull them off properly, or don't do them at all). So who's the one looking for an easy prey?

Not looking for easy prey, my dear, looking to see if 1) I could get a read on you and 2) if I could get some attention to your post, and thus get others to look at it, comment, react and in turn get a read on them.

And in that way for 1) If I correctly read you are a BN than based on 2) I can get some other commenting on my correct suspicions, ergo, it will help me figure them out.

But if for 1) my initial impression was incorrect, I would hope you could assuage my suspicions by responding (and I knew you would respond) than based on 2) I could see if anyone jumped onto my reasoning...which I left purposefully vague at the time to see how some might react. Make sense?

I admit, it may be cruel, because it must feel like I've used you as bait, and well, to use one of your marvelous talents as bait might have been a waste. But that way I see it is, feel privileged because if you aren't a BN than we both agree you are a witch...and using witches as bait is perfectly legal. But mainly I took it as you were essentially giving me permission in your first post, because of what I saw as suspicious behavior. (Detailed above and in my previous post).

Edit: crossed with Rune, G55, and Pomegranate

(See what I mean Agan? Lottie jumps at your jumpy comment, and now Pomegranate follows Lottie)

[satansaloser2005]

My sweet prince Boro never fails to amaze me.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

(See what I mean Agan? Lottie jumps at your jumpy comment, and now Pomegranate follows Lottie)

You know, I didn't even realize that I was following Agan's comment when I said mine until I saw that bolded in your post! It's the sort of thing you pass over when reading the rest of the post, but sticks in your mind...now I'm wondering if my thinking G55 suspicious was even my idea in the first place, or just my subconcious picking that up.

EDIT: xed with Teh Cupcake

[Inziladun]

So Boro is doing his standard Day 1 scheming. Or so he says in his last about the deal with Agan. Hmm.

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

I have now read through all the posts twice without coming up with much, this can hopefully be attributed to it being day1 and the excessive silliness that has become the trade mark of the rangers(and not to any lack of skill on my part).

I can relate to this. Yes, Day 1 is a customary time for goofy asides, but this seems to be over the top this time. Right Sally and G55?

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

Pommy’s (I am used to Lommy playing in these games, so you will have to serve as a substitute) joke-accusation against Galadriel was of course a banality, but a breath of fresh air. It for a brief moment changed the discourse and we were actually being productive and generating material worth analysing.

As a random observation about Pom/Nate, (s)he (clarification, please?) seems to have fallen into the rythm of things very well.

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

Personally I don’t like the way BomT made excuses for his voting future voting pattern in a post otherwise written in jest. I am probably over critical, because of how annoyed I got reading through all the jesting again.

Not that it means anything at this point, but Bom has a habit of doing things like that.

x/d with G55

[satansaloser2005]

Is PomPom a guy or a girl? (Ha. I found an obvious yet new option.)

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Is PomPom a guy or a girl? (Ha. I found an obvious yet new option.)

Ooh! I like.

Also, I'm guessing the fact that (s)he chose the name Nate over Meg indicates maleness, but that's not a foolproof way of telling.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

PomPom

YES!

Edit: xed with Lottie

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

An interesting theory put forth by Boromir...

It would be brilliant of BN Aganzir to do what you described, yet when I read through her post in that context I find that it is too subtle.
"(jumpy are we?)" Would be the only thing put forth that might make the reader think twice about possible suspicions.

[Aganzir]

GUILTY
Gal. I didn't really mind her until her sudden and desperate interest in my list which is just weird. What does it really matter?
Bom. I know this is way typical but I won't abstain from putting him here just because of it. If you suspect someone, state your reasons please.

INNOCENT
Shasta. Hasn't said a lot but I like him well enough. I don't know, it's just a gut feeling.
Lottie. I like her well enough for now.
Nat. Nothing alarming so far, actually I'm quite liking her gameplay.
Rune. Seems sensible enough and cannot really be blamed of opportunism - he tries to remain objective even though he doesn't really need to.
Inziladun. Someone said he's posting a lot without saying anything. I read his posts but they weren't really that bad even if they weren't overflowing with substance either. He looks passively innocent (apart from the former four who are actively so) and remains here because I refuse to vote for him.

EITHER
Boro. Gets the honour of topping my Either list. I grumbled about his behaviour before but it was out of principle rather than actual suspicion because I was pretty positive I knew at least partly what he was up to. He could set traps and baits regardless of role, and I need to see more before I'm willing to trust him.
Green. Is being herself. She comments vaguely on Boro & my argument, leaving a door open to further suspicion of us both but concluding with a statement of undecidedness. I won't deny my tendency to automatically see it as evil just because it's Greenie, but it's not actually suspicious.
Glirdan. Nothing.
Nogrod. Um?
sally. Nothing.

So. These are not based on a complete reread, they are serious, and they're still subject to change even today if I feel like it.

[Aganzir]

Boro - none
Shasta - G55
Lottie - G55 2 (xed with Shasta)
Rune - Bom
Greenie - Lottie (xed with Lottie & Rune)
Nog - none
Bom - Rune