TIG XCIV– WHere the Stars Are Strange (Game thread)

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Sally. Where is she?

Shasta - where is he?

The DL is horrible for us, alas, or at least for me. It's the time I need to be leaving for work, and since I normally am just getting home around now (well, an hour before when I'm lucky, but there's housework to do when I get home, and today there are strange people in my kitchen looking at my appliances), attempting to do all my Werewolfing in two or three short hours isn't going to lead to successful Sallying. I'm sorry (no, really, I am) that my performance is disappointing.

(How is Sallying a verb but Werewolfing isn't?!)

Anyway, I'm here, and attempting to read through things, though I will admit that I'm having trouble keeping up. I'm hoping that, in a lovely twist, my delicious beverage will help with that rather than dulling my senses as one would expect.


Or, as they say in Limerick....

Well, Legate, what do you think?
That I can write posts in a blink?
And with these weird verbs
I may light some herbs
Or maybe I'll just have a drink


EDIT: x'd since the post I quoted

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Well, Legate, what do you think?
That I can write posts in a blink?
And with this weird vocab
I may require rehab
Or maybe I'll just have a drink

But Sally, what are you doing?
Together some words in rhyme gluing
When argue in full
And your own weight pull
Discussing's what you should be doing.

Why waste your time writing rhymes
'Stead of punishing those for their crimes
That creep up at night
On the good place a blight
Like the creature gollum who climbs?

[Nogrod]

The bedtime approaches.

I'll make a list of sorts before I go, but meanwhile I'd wish to hear from Eönwë and Boro to tell us which is their situation: the thoughtless overconfidence of a hindsight, or wolvery?

If you know someone is (or was) innocent, you can say someone who went through all possibilities with him was doing an "overkill" (someone used that term I think). But when you don't know the alignment beforehand, that's exactly what you have to do, check all the possibilities, unless you are a wolf when you of course have no need to do it.


Heh, I know I said this already, but as I have a feeling - well, I think I can say I know - many people skip long posts, I decided to make a short one stating one of my main points against that silly speculation. (read more from #212)


X'd with a few

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Eönwë

And I'm glad you also spotted Nog's sneaky post as the origin of the Bom bandwaggon, which is what I'm going to focus on now.

First, eeeeeeeeeeeevil. Second, when I saw Legate comment on this just a couple posts afterwards, he jumped at least one category of 'suspicion' - meaning, from 'unsure', he breezed straight up to 'feeling fairly good about' in one post.

Originally Posted by Eönwë

Sally - Something worries me, but again, I'll need to look more closely.

Pitchwife - I suspect there's something dark behind his previously spotless veneer.

Legate of Amon Lanc - I've started getting the feeling that he's evil too. There's something about the way he posts... At first I thought he was a strong innocent, but now I suspect darker intentions.

Vaguely indicating suspicion but not pursuing it at all? Lommy, you know how you were worried that I was trying to do that with my Pitch-poke joke post? Yeaaaaaaaah. Oh, and the flowery language he uses to express his suspicion of Pitch and Legate? Not happy with that at all.

Lottie - Ah, Lottie, I'm not sure about her. At first I thought her evil, but looking back on her posts she seems pretty standard Lottie.

Sooo, you tried an easy Day 1 lynch and jumped back when it became apparent that it wasn't working? Don't worry. Lots of wolves do it.

Lommy - While she speaks sense, there was something off about her early posts yesterDay, and she did have the most votes before the Bom-waggon.

This sounds excessively defensive to me - "and she did have the most votes..." especially.

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

I'm going to sleep. I'll be back before the DL to read, post a little and vote. When you vote, please consider what I said about G55. She's made already two moves no innocent would make. Good night and see you!

While I do agree about the points against her, I also think that a pack with both G55 and Steve would be highly unlikely, and since I suspect Steve a lot more...

Now. I've got to run to class, but I'll be back in two hours or so (hopefully).

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Loslote

This sounds excessively defensive to me - "and she did have the most votes..." especially.

In what way? I'm linking her to the Bom-waggon.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Eönwë

If you remember, I was only one vote behind at the time, so I couldn't afford to choose anyone other than Lommy or Bom.

Really? There's always chance, and many other people to vote. Also, you might have waited. For that matter, I just recalled that there was this weird thing with you saying about hour and ten minutes (or something) before DL "I need to vote in half an hour" and then you voted in about 50 minutes from then when it seemed that the Bomwaggon was rolling. Yes, you wanted to save yourself, but this was rather calculated. Care to say something about that?

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Well, Legate, what do you think?
That I can write posts in a blink?
And with these weird verbs
I may light some herbs
Or maybe I'll just have a drink

Well, at least you are here! (not going to rhyme at this hour...)

EDIT: x-ed with another nicely rhyming person, who however is not in my opinion in the position to say so either...

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Really? There's always chance, and many other people to vote. Also, you might have waited. For that matter, I just recalled that there was this weird thing with you saying about hour and ten minutes (or something) before DL "I need to vote in half an hour" and then you voted in about 50 minutes from then when it seemed that the Bomwaggon was rolling. Yes, you wanted to save yourself, but this was rather calculated. Care to say something about that?

Yeah, I misjudged. I thought my lesson was cancelled, but it turned out I had one, and then I just about managed to get in my vote in the gap between that and the next one.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Hmm, Legate. Having me, Steve, and Nog in the same pack would indicate some pretty daring wolf-on-wolf, wouldn't it?

That's of course theoretical. Although anything is possible, right.

That's what you're using to justify suspecting me? That's a real reach, my friend, even if it is me saying so. I was beginning to relax about you, too.

Among other, yes. I simply find your posting really fishy lately (this time, fishy = suspicious).

Yet you apparently trust Lommy enough to concur with her about me.

It isn't about trusting. She might even be a Wolf, or you can even be packmates for all I care, but the point is that the point makes sense. I mean, don't tell me you didn't ever see a Wolf saying something that actually was based on reality. I am sure you know better than to think that if somebody has different opinion than you, it does not mean he is a Wolf, and if somebody has the same opinion as you, it does not mean he is innocent.

Originally Posted by Eönwë

Yeah, I misjudged. I thought my lesson was cancelled, but it turned out I had one, and then I just about managed to get in my vote in the gap between that and the next one.

Fair enough.

EDIT: also xed with a few

[Eönwë]

Ok, as for the others that I haven't talked much about.

Just been through Boro's posts. YesterDay he seemed a bit too quiet and sort of just floating around, but there's nothing evil there. Today he seems good. He hasn't said too much yet, but at least he's pushing a bit (everyone seems too agreeable in this game).

I'm thinking Lottie actually looks pretty good. The fact that she hasn't posted much probably helps, but what she has posted looks innocent so far.

I'm not sure about G55 any more. Some of her early posts don't look great, and I'm not sure I like the idea of her writing something at Night (i.e. assuming survival), but I suppose her attack on Nog is not something a wolf would do. Unless, of course, she was just hoping it would end up ignored because of its boldness, which might also be a good distancing tactic actually. Hm...

Pitch is harder. You know what? I think he might not be evil at all. I may have misjudged. He seems pretty observant and good-natured in most of his posts, but I do have a few issues with him. If we assume he's not feigning ignorance (which would be a pretty unsportsmanlike thing to do, and so I highly doubt that that is the case), then he seems pretty innocent.

Greenie I still can't read at all, but she's sharp.

Sally has just not posted enough for me to be able to tell anything about her. Most of it seems a mix of silly and serious, but where one ends the other starts it's hard to tell.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Now that brings something interesting.

I was just about to post how Eönwë's last long post just screams "I am making up stuff, echoing general opinions on people in the village and such". (I was just about to go to sleep after that, too. I think I might still do that, but I not sure if it will be such a calm sleep after all, anticipating mess in the morning.)

Now... what to make out of this revelation. I am not 100% convinced, because of above reasons, about Eönwë's genuineness (that's not a word, is it? What should it be? Genuinity? Sounds even worse). I can well imagine him being a hasty Wolf and in the view of being lynched soon, he wants to save his skin and/or drag the real Seer out.

That said!!! Just occured to me. Steve, if you ARE real Seer, you SHOULD tell us the name of your Ordo. Because either you get night-killed or the ordo does, but the Ranger can protect you first Night, and the Ordo after that. So you SHOULD tell us.

And that by the way further fortifies my belief in Eönwë's fakeness. Really.

I am not convinced in any way that Nogrod is innocent, but I am rather convinced, now thinking about it more and more, that Eönwë is just fake. A rather not very well done Wolfy Seer-revelation-attempt, since he does not know whom he should reveal as ordo, because he does not know whether to name a packmate or not...

Hmm. It is of course still possible he is not lying. But I really don't like it.

Also it is interesting for him to suddenly have me on top of his suspect list right after I got a vote, while I don't believe he had suspected me so much before.

EDIT: x-ed with Nog and Zil

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

That said!!! Just occured to me. Steve, if you ARE real Seer, you SHOULD tell us the name of your Ordo. Because either you get night-killed or the ordo does, but the Ranger can protect you first Night, and the Ordo after that. So you SHOULD tell us.

No, he ought to wait until toMorrow and leave the Spies guessing. And the fact that you are pushing otherwise makes me suspect you all the more.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

No, he ought to wait until toMorrow and leave the Spies guessing. And the fact that you are pushing otherwise makes me suspect you all the more.

Excuse me, but I've played in like twenty to forty or maybe even more WW games and as far as I recall, upon revealing, the Seer most often revealed ALL his dreams.

And really, your behavior is totally driving me mad. It's not even that I would not consider your opinions as possible - it's ok that somebody trusts Steve, that happens with both real and fake revelations, and it's not like I am 100% convinced he is lying either, it just seems more probable given all that's happened - but you seem to have just a set pattern of behavior which is always... completely against all logic. Come on, I know you are an experienced player, so what is this? Voting immediately as soon as you see it. Not even a moment of pause to think.

Bah. This is ridiculous. You are the Cobbler, whatever goes. Are you an Acolyte who could pick your role from the choice of Seer and Cobbler or whatever? It really seems that way, honestly.

Going to sleep... I'll be back to vote before DL. The question I put before myself is this - whether it is ok to lynch Steve (if it seems he really is faking this), or whether to keep him around for the Night and try to see if the WWs attack him - simply: whether to risk the possibility that he is the real Seer after all. But how are we going to know otherwise than lynching Nogrod? He might start listing "dreamt" ordos or whatnot, eventually he'd be exposed, but after how long? Also, the WWs might want to kill the real Seer during the Night, which is not such a good idea.

Too much now. Really going to sleep. Think, people, is all I can advise now...

EDIT: x-ed again since my last