TIG XCIV– WHere the Stars Are Strange (Game thread)

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Loslote

I think Lommy's post is understandable - it was at the very beginning of the Day and it was more useful than banter, which was the other option at that point. But just because Legate and Nog are typically wordy doesn't mean Legate had to elaborate on that to such great extent, and it definitely doesn't mean Nog has to post the exact same thing as Legate already has.

Some minor suspicion on Nog, lumping him in with Legate.

Originally Posted by Loslote

Then why isn't it? I wouldn't have even noticed it if it were said every game. It would just be normal. Part of the reason it's so odd-looking is that it is, in fact, abnormal. Just because it 'needs to be said', according to you (which I disagree with, by the way - if a bunch of people post giant blocks of angry text about not randomly voting every game, no one will read them after the first few times. It will cease to have any meaning whatsoever) does not mean I am forbidden to comment on it when, for the first time in my memory, not just one but three people post about it.



No. I disagree. Now, I'm not a linguistics and philosophy of language expert, but I do know from experience that just because you say something loud enough doesn't make it happen. Yes, if everyone here posted and said that, no one would random vote, but that's just because everyone would have to agree to post. As it is, clearly some people don't agree, because people do random vote. Ranting loudly won't make them change their minds. It'll just make people skim your posts because your rants are obnoxious.



People like Bom and Sally are basically expected to post little to nothing of substance on Day One. You and Legate are not. When people do what I'm not used to them doing, I pay attention more than when they do what I am used to them doing.



But I had noticed it. I just hadn't posted about it yet. When Rikae asked, I figured I might as well flesh out my concern about the post.

All this was in response to Nog.

Originally Posted by Loslote

First, eeeeeeeeeeeevil. Second, when I saw Legate comment on this just a couple posts afterwards, he jumped at least one category of 'suspicion' - meaning, from 'unsure', he breezed straight up to 'feeling fairly good about' in one post.

This is pretty much in line with Greenie, suspecting Steve because of the way he jumped on Nog.

Originally Posted by Loslote

But...but in this case, that would be stupid. Sorry, but it would. Assuming Steve gives us the name of Nogwolf toDay, the Ranger protects him toNight. Then he gives us the names of his other two dreams toMorrow. Assuming Steve tells all toDay, the Ranger has to choose which to protect, Steve or the ordo, and may get it wrong and cost us a known innocent a Night early.

Also, I trust the reveal enough to go ahead with a Nog-lynch, so:

++Nog

Votes for Nog after Steve's reveal.

Originally Posted by Loslote

Obviously Steve is innocent, but Lommy, Sally, and Nate also seem pretty good to me, and I'm leaning innocent on Boro, Shasta, and Zil (though hardly definitively yet!). I have no read whatsoever on Greenie, and if there's anyone else playing, I've gotten so little a read on them that I've forgotten them entirely.

Obviously, this means that one of the people in my second category are evil. For now I'm thinking it'd be more likely to be Boro and Shasta - I'm more confident about the first three I mentioned, and Zil and Greenie, for some reason, don't strike me as all that evil this game (of course, they also don't strike me as all that innocent, but that's why they're in the categories they're in).

The mild suspicion on Boro seems unnecessary for a mate of his.

Originally Posted by Loslote

I'd be willing to consider the option of a Legate-Shasta-?Pitch? pack, at any rate.

But here she has Shasta as a likelier Spy than Boro, apparently.

Originally Posted by Loslote

This post of Boro's makes me think that not only would Pom and Nog, as Lommy said, be likely packmates, but so would Pom and Boro. In that post, Boro's basically writing Pom off as innocent, and implying that an evil Pom would happen in the future - that is, not this game.

To put Boro with Nog seems pretty risky if she was a mate of theirs.

Based on all this, I think Lottie is one of the less likely Spies.

x/d with Lommy

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

G55's outburst against Rikae feels pretty genuine to me, and I don't quite get what Boro thinks was so over-the-top about it - I mean, if she had the impression that Rikae was trying to suggest Lottie suspect her, being outraged is an understandable reaction; and as Rikae's post looks just like that on the surface, who's to blame her. (Only, knowing Rikae a bit, that would have been remarkably unsubtle.)


That's actually a good point. Wolves usually love discussing rules and technicalities rather than discussing people, they're great for talking a lot without saying much.

Legate, one thing I'd like to be clear about - if, as you say, you weren't accusing Zil when all this started, are you accusing him now or is your insistence merely scientific interest in his thought processes?


You want to read up on the Corsairs of Umbar. We're the only pure Gondorians left - that rabble up north are just mudbloods.


Isn't it?


How would you describe what's going on here?

There's some small questioning of Boro about the row between G55 and Rikae. He also responds to Nog.

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

No, what Lottie is saying is that Zil's post that followed hers didn't have anything to do with her poke/attack/whateveryouwannacallit, unlike Lommy had supposed.
FWIW, I was mildly annoyed by Lottie's failure to get my sarcasm, but I didn't think of it as an "attack" until Lommy, ironically, blew it up into one.


In which way would you say has Lottie acted like a bold wolf? I fail to see where she's done anything particularly bold yet.

Both those were responses to Nog.

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

It's not like I can't empathize to some degree with being annoyed by Bom and wanting to set an example, but what exactly was that supposed to accomplish? I mean, you said it yourselves:

and

and you still decide he's the best lynch choice? After ranting at such length against random votes? How was picking Bom any better?

Yes, I know, lynch a submarine on D1 if there's no better choice, and if it has to be done, better now than later, but after all of yesterDay's controversy, was there really no better choice?

Or was there a wolf getting heat who had to be saved?


That's actually a good find.


No, your vote list is confused there; Eönwë's vote was the fourth for Bom and came before Nog's.

He responds to Nog some more, and says Pom had a "good find" in noting that Nog, not Shasta, originated the ideal of the Bom-lynch.

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Because it does make a difference whether Shasta started the whole thing by himself or took the lead from you, doesn't it? Pom says it better than I can.

Again a response to Nog.

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Try to make up your mind whether I'm being "wise with hindsight", as you said earlier, or had wolvish knowledge in advance, will you? And if you think the latter, then say it instead of just throwing insinuating coughs my way.

And again.

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

My personal guess would be that the first of your Rupert Murdoch scenarios (love you for that btw) is true and it's Boro, or I don't see why she would have said that thing about wabbits and coyotes at all.


Tell - of course not, hint - all I can say is there've been precedences (IIRC G55 did it just a few games ago). It's rare, and even rarer that the village picks up the hint, but not as unheard of as you paint it here.

Anyway, it's bedtime, but I should be back an hour or two before DL. See you.

After all the "questioning" he did on Nog, and their back-and-forth, it seems odd that he didn't really suspect him more. All of that could easily have been wolf-on-wolf.

And Pitch apparently forgot all about Boro.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Still looking, Inzil?

Here. Let me help you out.

++Shasta

With three known innocents in a group of seven, a second, unkillable Seer, and double lynches allowed, there is no mathematical way for us to win.

Game over.

[Pomegranate]

Lommy: Because I suspected Lottie already yesterDay, and when I looked through Boro's posts I felt his suspicion for Pitch was very crafted. Apparently I was wrong on at least one, though, looking at Shasta's last post.

[Pomegranate]

Shasta: I sense some frustration in the air :P I can understand that, though. We haven't lynched a single wolf without the help of a Seer. That is somewhat sad.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Pomegranate

Shasta: I sense some frustration in the air :P I can understand that, though. We haven't lynched a single wolf without the help of a Seer. That is somewhat sad.

Well, when you hit a Gifted every night and still end up in a situation like this...

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Still looking, Inzil?

Here. Let me help you out.

++Shasta

With three known innocents in a group of seven, a second, unkillable Seer, and double lynches allowed, there is no mathematical way for us to win.

Game over.

How do you know what happened last Night? It might have been a one-time thing.

Granted, you were still high on my suspicion list anyway, but still....

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

How do you know what happened last Night? It might have been a one-time thing.

Because that makes it so much better for us.

Granted, you were still high on my suspicion list anyway, but still....

Oh, dear, I'm sorry. Did I ruin your fun? Would you like an accolade?

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Because that makes it so much better for us.

Well, if it was a singular event, there was still hope for you.

[Inziladun]

I'd been entertaining the possibility that Lommy was possibly evil in some crazy way since she didn't die last Night, but I couldn't make any headway with the thought.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Well, if it was a singular event, there was still hope for you.

No. There wasn't. All you have to do is double lynch from the group of 5 unconfirmed players until you win. Not exactly a difficult task. And we don't have the time to stop you. And you can both just stop with the patronization.