How did the Numenoreans survive in the Cave of the Forgotten? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Galadriel55 · 05-25-2012, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Inziladun

Of the two, I think the former is more likely.

Well, Hurin's case supports the former, but the Paths of the Dead support the latter. The cursed people died - or their bodies did, but their spirits stayed.

Elmo · 05-26-2012, 03:46 AM

If the Valar could make the Numenoreans live in a cave forever it seems they did lie to them when they said the Numenoreans couldn't become immortals and so the Numenoreans had a legitimate grievance.

Inziladun · 05-26-2012, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Elmo

If the Valar could make the Numenoreans live in a cave forever it seems they did lie to them when they said the Numenoreans couldn't become immortals and so the Numenoreans had a legitimate grievance.

If in fact the Valar did indefinitely arrest the physical processes of the Númenóreans in that case, it would have been with the consent of Ilúvatar, who himself had intervened in that situation. At any rate, a suspension of bodily function is far different than true immortality.
Alternately, it could have been the power of the One alone that was responsible for the fate of the mortals there.

05-26-2012, 03:46 AM	#2
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