WW XCVI - The Fell Winter of 2911

[Kath]

Nerwen has ripped into those lynchees who were innocent. Those who were wolves got off pretty lightly in comparison. G55 and Menel got hounded. sally and Legate didn't.

[Kath]

Don't like Shasta's wavering around sally at the last minute. Suddenly realised she could be saved but had to hold off other votes? Too risky really, and he'd shown no 'ready to vote' suspicion of Nog so couldn't go down that route. Would have been less suspicious really to have just voted and have done with it.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Checking in from phone.

Kath, don't you think it's a little odd that I'd spend all that time being suspicious of Sally, as a wolf, only to turn around and try to save her at the last second? This is one of those "if I were a wolf" moments, but I like to think I wouldn't be that obvious.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Shasta

If the wolf is Kath, then Sally's vote the day she died doesn't make sense - she would have known that she was the last wolf voting, therefore she couldn't have expected any last-minute help to lynch Nogrod, so why would she vote him? This scenario makes more sense if Sally was hoping for some help from Nerwolf.

However, the counterpoint to that is, Nog was also one of the last to vote, and obviously wasn't going to vote himself - and was pretty obviously going to vote Sally - so on the surface it doesn't look like there was much point in Sally voting Nog either way. It's possible she was just going for the misdirection factor, though I don't know how likely it is she voted specifically to implicate Nerwen. Probably not too likely.

Yes– Sally's last post makes more sense if there was a wolf left to vote– I've said that myself. But you see: from my point of view I can easily substitute "Shasta" for "Nerwen" in the above, can't I? Only if you're the last wolf, why would you throw the lynch like that? All you'd have had to do was follow Sally's vote on Nogrod– with the tiebreaker rule, that would have been almost certain death for him. After that, he could have been saved only if he and I had voted for Sally *and* Menel had turned up at the last minute and followed suit. But then, if you don't realise that now, my dearest, I don't suppose you realised that then...

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Checking in from phone.

Kath, don't you think it's a little odd that I'd spend all that time being suspicious of Sally, as a wolf, only to turn around and try to save her at the last second? This is one of those "if I were a wolf" moments, but I like to think I wouldn't be that obvious.

Thing is, my heart– it's now clear that the wolves did *something* darned odd on Day 3.

Which is actually re-stating the puzzle we've had before us ever since: theoretically, the wolves could have won on Day 3, with a co-ordinated effort– but no such effort was made. Why not? Menel's being furry would have provided a simple answer– but we now know he wasn't.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Yes– Sally's last post makes more sense if there was a wolf left to vote– I've said that myself. But you see: from my point of view I can easily substitute "Shasta" for "Nerwen" in the above, can't I? Only if you're the last wolf, why would you throw the lynch like that? All you'd have had to do was follow Sally's vote on Nogrod– with the tiebreaker rule, that would have been almost certain death for him. After that, he could have been saved only if he and I had voted for Sally *and* Menel had turned up at the last minute and followed suit. But then, if you don't realise that now, my dearest, I don't suppose you realised that then...



Thing is, my heart– it's now clear that the wolves did *something* darned odd on Day 3.

Which is actually re-stating the puzzle we've had before us ever since: theoretically, the wolves could have won on Day 3, with a co-ordinated effort– but no such effort was made. Why not? Menel's being furry would have provided a simple answer– but we now know he wasn't.

Which is something I still disagree on with Kath -

Originally Posted by Kath

Shasta says I can't be considered innocent just because I didn't follow Legate's vote. I entirely disagree here. Had I been a wolf and knew we could have won the game this Day I would have.

Much like things my pearl and I have said today, this is an 'if I were a wolf, this is how I'd act' statement. Which may be true, but isn't something provable.

I think I'm beginning to see the answer to that puzzle, though, bright shining moon. It may simply lie in the fact that the remaining wolf wasn't willing to link herself to Legate and Sally irreparably with a vote for Nogrod (obvious, I know - but no one could have foreseen the fact that Menel would forget to vote entirely.)

[Shastanis Althreduin]

As for this -

Originally Posted by Kath

Bad point about backing off Menel - based on assumption entirely from Shasta.

(regarding G55 backing off of Menel in her list, as far as I can tell - Kath wasn't clear)

Well, she did. The "assumption" I think you're talking about, Kath, is when I said "(because of the opposition?)" which is, rather, a possible reason for why G55, as a wolf, would have stopped going after Menel so hard. I don't see why that was a bad point.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Also, my reason for living, it pretty well appears that anything that could be said of a Shastawolf could also be said of a Nerwolf, at least regarding the end of Day 3. Considering that Nogrod wasn't going to vote for himself, after all.

Which is, of course, what you just got finished saying. Forgive me for restating the obvious.

[Kitanna]

I had hoped to write longer death narrations, but the day the game started was the day my co-worker decided she needed surgery and so I got extra stress piled on. Then of course when she deems she's healthy enough to come back the game ends. Oh well, no more excuses I do hope you all enjoyed the short narrations.

I'm happy with the way this game turned out well. Congratulations to everyone for a game well played.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Kitanna

I had hoped to write longer death narrations, but the day the game started was the day my co-worker decided she needed surgery and so I got extra stress piled on. Then of course when she deems she's healthy enough to come back the game ends. Oh well, no more excuses I do hope you all enjoyed the short narrations.

They were wonderful! I hope you're not as stressed anymore, now that your co-worker is back...

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Kath

Nerwen has ripped into those lynchees who were innocent. Those who were wolves got off pretty lightly in comparison. G55 and Menel got hounded. sally and Legate didn't.

I didn't "rip into" G55, in my opinion. I did "rip into" Menel– because he was behaving horribly suspiciously and couldn't give a decent account of himself– and I was the only one around for much of that time.

[Nerwen]

Oh, and "factually incorrect", Kath– well, for a start, that we all x-posted at the Day 3 deadline. I had already explained that this was not the case, and that therefore *as far as I knew*, I was casting the kill-vote on Sally.

I'm sorry if I was rude, but frankly I was getting quite fed-up by that kind of thing from you, Kath, and as I said I had to get it off my chest in the hope of not being prejudiced against you later on.

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