Scarburg Meadhall Discussion Thread - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Galadriel55 · 07-13-2012, 06:20 AM

Theolain can run away.

littlemanpoet · 07-13-2012, 08:10 AM

The land is called The Mark.
The people of the land are called Eorlings.

Gondorians call it Rohan and the people living there the Rohirrim; but never "Rohannians".

Theolain running away? He wouldn't get far on those little legs unless he was abducted, but that's already been done.

Orcs don't go where the risk is too great compared to the reward.

Maybe I'm ready for an adventure in which Eodwine or someone leaves Scarburg with the expectation of coming back.

Nogrod · 07-13-2012, 01:57 PM

I think both orcs and Dunledings are a bit far fetched - and I think the Mead Hall has had it's due of renegades and outlaws.

But how about the local lords and the peasants / basic farmers?

It seems the local lords have had it their way before the Mead Hall was introduced at Mid-Emnet and round 1 has been taken place just "recently". But things seem quite far from settled in any way. I could check back for those lords during the weekend to look for scenarios...

Also, I would think there should be locals hating the way their lords have conducted their ways and maybe they have had their fill? A kind of local rebellion might be an interesting idea, especially when Athanar and Eodwine need to stand for order while they probably also understand the claims of the rebels to be justified?

One added scenario could be that the local farmers take the Mead Hall as just one extra-load of the "twisted lords"?

I think there is a wealth of opportunities.

littlemanpoet · 07-13-2012, 03:33 PM

These seem like good ideas. I think that Eodwine and Athanar may have conflict erupt between them as to how to handle rebellions. This could be interesting.

Nogrod · 07-13-2012, 05:56 PM

If the main problem would be whether to, in shorthand, "call for law and order" or to "understand the possible rebels", I think the roles are pretty much given between Athanar and Eodwine, not probably so much because of their personalities (even if there probably is something of that there too), but especially because of their status: Athanar has the official position and is responsible to his king as the lord of the Mead Hall, a representative of the king and the realm, whilst Eodwine can take his stance more freely not being in charge officially or judicially.

But if that is about the scenario we'll start building I'd suggest we make the rebels do something relatively serious as otherwise it might be a real pain to write Athanar demanding law and order in the face of probably quite righteous claims of the rebels (heh, I'd hate to be on the "wrong side" all the time - even if writing for a person who is not like you yourself is always rewarding in other ways...

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I'll try to check the local lords for any ideas how they could fit in during the weekend as I said, but just as food for thought to everyone let me recount them as my memory serves me.

There's this "great lord" who was I think Eodwine's and Athanar's superior in the great war: a great soldier and commander who has grown somewhat greedy as a lord amongst "nobodies" and is very mindful of his stature. I wouldn't say he is evil, but maybe thinks himself superior (in many cases that might be true) and takes his new luxury-"retirement" as given.

Then there's this one I'd call the "evil one". An intelligent, mindful lord who's not talking or doing openly even half of what he actually thinks and does. To him I'd be willing to give some really nasty motivations - or at least egoistical ends he'd be ruthlessly pursuing. An obvious central-plotter for us - or the obvious target of the rebellion?

The third is actually third and fourth. There is this old lord who was fighting at the Pelennor Fields and was at least known by A & E (needs to check), and it seems he has stayed true over the years - as was seen in the first confrontation where he saved the day by overriding his son.

But he has given the lordship to his son who is reckless, hot-headed and wants to show-off to the other two lords. The last time we left them the situation was quite delicate between the father and the son, so maybe it should be revisited and we should decide how matters went after Athanar and his soldiers left?

But it seems they all (except perhaps the third one) have misused their status by levying taxes or tax-like payments, making partisan judgements in the absence of a Mead Hall to speak the law, and basically taking advantage of the local people.

Folwren · 07-13-2012, 08:22 PM

Hm. An uprising sounds very interesting. That would case a lot of rippling effects in Scarburg that would grow immensely. I see great potential.

What, Elempi, don't like 'Rohanians'?

I KNEW something wasn't right in what I was writing the other night, but I didn't care enough to figure it out. Thank you, kind sir, for correcting me. :P

If it came to a disagreement between Athanar and Eodwine, wouldn't Eodwine give in? I mean, he's there to support Athanar and counsel him, but if Athanar chooses another course, Eodwine's duty would be to stand behind him. They could disagree in private, and all, but surely they'd show a strong front in public. I don't know how much Eodwine is similar to Thornden, but that seems to be what Thornden would do.

Speaking of, I want to write him again. Are we going to move forward with this Scyrr thing? I do want to see that story-line wrapped up.

littlemanpoet · 07-14-2012, 01:35 PM

Folwren is right. If there is no justification, no inkling of rectitude to be found in the rebellion at all, then Eodwine will simply support his lord, and that's that. And that would be boring, to me. If, however, there was something justifiable in the rebels' motivations, even in their own minds, then there might/would be contention between A & E. The greater the seeming justification, the greater the confrontation, even to the point of being open before the folk of Scarburg. That would not be boring to me.

I wonder if Firefoot is around? Maybe the interaction between Scyld and Rowenna could be part of the build-up, considering their somewhat common backgrounds...?

Nogrod · 07-14-2012, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Folwren

Are we going to move forward with this Scyrr thing? I do want to see that story-line wrapped up.

Good point.

I have been waiting for the writers of those characters involved to kind of say "hi I'm in for this", but well, it seems we just have to go forwards without many of the character-writers involved.

Let's wrap it up pretty fast, shall we?

I can post a short one making Athanar wist to hear Scyrr on his part first. Then whoever (Legate, Folwren, lmp) can make Scyrr's POV. Then maybe a few POV's of others and Athanar makes the decision... Okay?

Who wishes to take Scyrr?

07-13-2012, 06:20 AM	#1
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,525	Theolain can run away. __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

07-13-2012, 01:57 PM	#3
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	I think both orcs and Dunledings are a bit far fetched - and I think the Mead Hall has had it's due of renegades and outlaws. But how about the local lords and the peasants / basic farmers? It seems the local lords have had it their way before the Mead Hall was introduced at Mid-Emnet and round 1 has been taken place just "recently". But things seem quite far from settled in any way. I could check back for those lords during the weekend to look for scenarios... Also, I would think there should be locals hating the way their lords have conducted their ways and maybe they have had their fill? A kind of local rebellion might be an interesting idea, especially when Athanar and Eodwine need to stand for order while they probably also understand the claims of the rebels to be justified? One added scenario could be that the local farmers take the Mead Hall as just one extra-load of the "twisted lords"? I think there is a wealth of opportunities. __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

07-13-2012, 05:56 PM	#5
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	If the main problem would be whether to, in shorthand, "call for law and order" or to "understand the possible rebels", I think the roles are pretty much given between Athanar and Eodwine, not probably so much because of their personalities (even if there probably is something of that there too), but especially because of their status: Athanar has the official position and is responsible to his king as the lord of the Mead Hall, a representative of the king and the realm, whilst Eodwine can take his stance more freely not being in charge officially or judicially. But if that is about the scenario we'll start building I'd suggest we make the rebels do something relatively serious as otherwise it might be a real pain to write Athanar demanding law and order in the face of probably quite righteous claims of the rebels (heh, I'd hate to be on the "wrong side" all the time - even if writing for a person who is not like you yourself is always rewarding in other ways...). I'll try to check the local lords for any ideas how they could fit in during the weekend as I said, but just as food for thought to everyone let me recount them as my memory serves me. There's this "great lord" who was I think Eodwine's and Athanar's superior in the great war: a great soldier and commander who has grown somewhat greedy as a lord amongst "nobodies" and is very mindful of his stature. I wouldn't say he is evil, but maybe thinks himself superior (in many cases that might be true) and takes his new luxury-"retirement" as given. Then there's this one I'd call the "evil one". An intelligent, mindful lord who's not talking or doing openly even half of what he actually thinks and does. To him I'd be willing to give some really nasty motivations - or at least egoistical ends he'd be ruthlessly pursuing. An obvious central-plotter for us - or the obvious target of the rebellion? The third is actually third and fourth. There is this old lord who was fighting at the Pelennor Fields and was at least known by A & E (needs to check), and it seems he has stayed true over the years - as was seen in the first confrontation where he saved the day by overriding his son. But he has given the lordship to his son who is reckless, hot-headed and wants to show-off to the other two lords. The last time we left them the situation was quite delicate between the father and the son, so maybe it should be revisited and we should decide how matters went after Athanar and his soldiers left? But it seems they all (except perhaps the third one) have misused their status by levying taxes or tax-like payments, making partisan judgements in the absence of a Mead Hall to speak the law, and basically taking advantage of the local people. __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

07-13-2012, 08:22 PM	#6
Folwren Messenger of Hope Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a tiny, insignificant little town in one of the many States. Posts: 5,076	Hm. An uprising sounds very interesting. That would case a lot of rippling effects in Scarburg that would grow immensely. I see great potential. What, Elempi, don't like 'Rohanians'? I KNEW something wasn't right in what I was writing the other night, but I didn't care enough to figure it out. Thank you, kind sir, for correcting me. :P If it came to a disagreement between Athanar and Eodwine, wouldn't Eodwine give in? I mean, he's there to support Athanar and counsel him, but if Athanar chooses another course, Eodwine's duty would be to stand behind him. They could disagree in private, and all, but surely they'd show a strong front in public. I don't know how much Eodwine is similar to Thornden, but that seems to be what Thornden would do. Speaking of, I want to write him again. Are we going to move forward with this Scyrr thing? I do want to see that story-line wrapped up. __________________ A young man who wishes to remain a sound atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. - C.S. Lewis

07-13-2012, 08:10 AM	#2
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	The land is called The Mark. The people of the land are called Eorlings. Gondorians call it Rohan and the people living there the Rohirrim; but never "Rohannians". Theolain running away? He wouldn't get far on those little legs unless he was abducted, but that's already been done. Orcs don't go where the risk is too great compared to the reward. Maybe I'm ready for an adventure in which Eodwine or someone leaves Scarburg with the expectation of coming back.

07-13-2012, 03:33 PM	#4
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	These seem like good ideas. I think that Eodwine and Athanar may have conflict erupt between them as to how to handle rebellions. This could be interesting.

07-14-2012, 01:35 PM	#7
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	Folwren is right. If there is no justification, no inkling of rectitude to be found in the rebellion at all, then Eodwine will simply support his lord, and that's that. And that would be boring, to me. If, however, there was something justifiable in the rebels' motivations, even in their own minds, then there might/would be contention between A & E. The greater the seeming justification, the greater the confrontation, even to the point of being open before the folk of Scarburg. That would not be boring to me. I wonder if Firefoot is around? Maybe the interaction between Scyld and Rowenna could be part of the build-up, considering their somewhat common backgrounds...?