Game Thread - WW XCIIX - The Meaning Of Death

[the phantom]

A few more tidbits from reading page 1-

Morsul asking about how many KMs there are in #6 doesn't look the best. "I can't be a KM. I don't even know how many of us there are!" But then something about his pessimism in the next line seems on level. But then in #17 his "hope we have more time!" comment seems to say "I'm an Ordo!" too forcibly, and his "clever clever" might be a bit of an attempt to ingratiate himself. Has not earned a pass from me.

Nerwen- I think I'm tipping her into my free pass category at this point. Still don't have a read, but looking back I think that's more my fault than hers. Give it time.

Manwe- Also gets a Day 1 pass after rereading. The reactions on page 1 were either innocent or faked rather well (which deserves a reward naturally).

Inzil- His comment in #22 about Amandil's reveal being his decision in the end still doesn't feel right to me- almost like a KM that's worried about what such a thing could mean for him.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Morsul asking about how many KMs there are in #6 doesn't look the best. "I can't be a KM. I don't even know how many of us there are!"

I'm equally hesitant to believe any defense that is based off alleged naivete.

[the phantom]

VOTES
Eomer ++ Sally
Pom ++ Inzil
Shasta ++ Steve
Inzil ++ Eomer

VOTERS REMAINING
Morsul
Nerwen
Lottie
Manwe
Phantom
sally
Boro
Steve
Brin

[Galadriel55]

It is an hour before DL. Please remember to vote!

[the phantom]

Page 2 & 3 tidbits-

Inzil again is potentially squirmy about Amandil stepping up in #43. And there's a bit of the "defense of naivete" thing going on later when he doesn't realize that Elendil doesn't actually see the dream. I'm struggling with this one... On principle I dislike such defenses, but wow is this a good one, and well executed if it's in fact a ploy. (KMs after a full night of discussion would have to know the functioning of their primary enemy, right?) As annoying as it is I'm actually wanting to pass him through due to this. *grumble* Mind versus heart, you know...

Lottie's first post #57 is... weird. And I honestly don't know what I think of it.

Pom gets a pass due to unfamiliarity combined with participation.

Sally- I like the word "phananigans". Leaning towards free pass on those grounds...

Originally Posted by Steve

One thing that would need to be sorted out, though, is the Night 1 dream. Would it be advisable to have a reveal? And could such a reveal even be trusted?

Nope, couldn't really be trusted. But yeah, I figure the dreamer will feel the need to reveal if under pressure- particularly if there's evidence to point back to that would support the claim. Or heck- maybe reveal and just hope you're trusted? If there's info out there may as well try to use it, right?

[the phantom]

Okay, so, if I combined my readthrough posts together I get something like this-

Will defend with the fury of a thousand suns-
Shasta
Phantom

Will defend with the fury of one largish sun-
Pom
Boro
Manwe
Brin

Will defend with the fury of a forest fire-
Sally
Inzil
Nerwen
Eomer

Will defend with the fury of a medium sized campfire-
Lottie
Steve

Will defend with the fury of a lighter-
Morsul

Honestly I don't like my list very much. *sigh* I think I forgot how difficult Day 1 is.

[Morsul the Dark]

Well Oviously I Like Phantom and shasta that goes without saying.

The two I'm most worried about are Sally mostly because Phantom made some pretty good points(even if they're wrong) and Sally readily jumped in to join him. Looks like a possible attempt at bandwagoning to me.The other person who worries me a bit is Nerwen not much suspicious but almost too clean. Besides which she has a record of flying under my radar...



Eonwe is a bit fishy but not vote worthy

basically I can only rule out who Not to vote for at this point.

Aw heck it's day one and frankly I have to go with my gut...

++ Sally

Edit: xed a bunch

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

The two I'm most worried about are Sally mostly because Phantom made some pretty good points(even if they're wrong) and Sally readily jumped in to join him. Looks like a possible attempt at bandwagoning to me.

Looks like a possible attempt at saving your own hide to me.


I'm having difficulty deciding, and for the sake of safety and sanity, I'm going to take a few minutes away and then I'll be back to vote.

[Morsul the Dark]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Looks like a possible attempt at saving your own hide to me.


I'm having difficulty deciding, and for the sake of safety and sanity, I'm going to take a few minutes away and then I'll be back to vote.

Day one had to take what very little information and intuition(because that's helped me so much in the past) and try to get a least a semi-not random vote in.

As for my first page posts itwas mostly based on we had so few players and then got more last minute just wanted to double check that we still had 3KM also I was excited first game in about 2 years.

And to be perfectly honest Phantom's plan is brilliant and I had to read it a few times to get it, brain function is low before coffee.

x'ed a bunch

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

Day one had to take what very little information and intuition(because that's helped me so much in the past) and try to get a least a semi-not random vote in.

As for my first page posts itwas mostly based on we had so few players and then got more last minute just wanted to double check that we still had 3KM also I was excited first game in about 2 years.

And to be perfectly honest Phantom's plan is brilliant and I had to read it a few times to get it, brain function is low before coffee.

x'ed a bunch

The problem I have with this is that you didn't deny my "accusation" of you just trying to save your own skin.

However, given Eomer's flip flop about not voting (and then voting me, of all the scandalous notions), I believe I'll have to choose him over Morsul; it's simply too risky to spread the vote so close to deadline.

++Eomer

[Boromir88]

Votes are:

Sally - 1 (Eomer)
Inzil - 1 (Pom)
Eonwe - 1 (Shasta)
Eomer - 1 (Inzil)

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Oi, glad you're ok Inzil at least it sounds very similar to my accident a few days ago...when I was at a stop sign and someone rear-ended me. Still dealing with the other motorists insurance was a bit of hastle, so best wishes.

If Elendil is lynched that would be downright crummy, but as far as I can tell there is nothing we can do about it. We just have to proceed with out a seer and a revealed Shastamandil on Day 2. It would torpedo the chance of getting reliable dreams, but seer's have been lynched Day 1 before, and we'll have to live with the fact of making a really poor lynch choice to hopefully make better decisions in the future.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Eönwë

Ah, that makes sense. Glad you're ok.

Thank you, sir.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Oi, glad you're ok Inzil at least it sounds very similar to my accident a few days ago...when I was at a stop sign and someone rear-ended me. Still dealing with the other motorists insurance was a bit of hastle, so best wishes.

Glad you were all right as well. I was actually stopped in traffic when the other vehicle hit me from behind. The damage is really barely noticeable, but just enough that it needs to be fixed. It's an inconvenience, but thankfully nothing more.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

If Elendil is lynched that would be downright crummy, but as far as I can tell there is nothing we can do about it. We just have to proceed with out a seer and a revealed Shastamandil on Day 2. It would torpedo the chance of getting reliable dreams, but seer's have been lynched Day 1 before, and we'll have to live with the fact of making a really poor lynch choice to hopefully make better decisions in the future.

The risk that's always there, to be sure. But failure to vote just helps the baddies.

[Galadriel55]

Boro, Inzil - I'm glad you're both alright!

[Loslote]

I'll go with a gut feeling rather than a surface argument and vote for

++Eonwe

Not that I'm all that certain that he's a KM, but he's the best bet I've got right now.

[Nerwen]

Well, here's my list: Morsul, Lottie, Brin.

Now, do I actually vote on Day One, or would that cause the universe to implode? Decisions, decisions...

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Now, do I actually vote on Day One, or would that cause the universe to implode? Decisions, decisions...

I think the 'verse could handle the shock waves.