Game Thread - WW XCIIX - The Meaning Of Death

[Shastanis Althreduin]

See, the thing is, the person revealed to me was an innocent Phantom, so I could definitely see Boro being a dead Elendil. Which... is sad.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

See, the thing is, the person revealed to me was an innocent Phantom, so I could definitely see Boro being a dead Elendil. Which... is sad.

Whichever gifted Boro was, it seems he was one we needed. Well, crap....

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Morsul

I'm wondering if Boro is Anarion. that could potentially be as bad if not worse than elendil.

If elendil died then no dreams which stinks but it Anarion died and Shasta reveals an innocent, the next dreamer of the chain, the KM can take them out forcing elendil to play russian roulette with dreamers...

If this were the case, then Elendil would have to choose between sending the dream to phantom or Shasta once more...so yeah, I see what you're getting at. But Elendil wouldn't even know for sure if Boro was the ranger (a 50/50 chance in this scenario). Of course the baddies cannot know the exact role of the gifteds either, so they'd have to take a risk to assume Anarion is dead.

It's good to know phantom is indeed innocent. Not that I had a reason to suspect him, but after previous games, I tend to have trust issues when it comes to him.

[Pomegranate]

I will only be able to be around for the mid-Day today, will have to vote early and made it here just now.

I shall keep reading and re-reading, but initial thoughts:

Given that Shasta dreamed us an innocent phantom, this would mean that tp should have us an innocent from the first night, assuming that Elendil gave a dream then.

Votes: Brinniel and Nerwen made points on not adding new people to the voting. I'll need to check the times, but I don't like that point - if you don't believe anyone on the voting list is a KM, it's better to (potentially) lose a vote than to vote an innocent. And if you do, why keep mentioning that you only vote within the already-voted, since you'd then have other things to say as well.

What is fascinating is also Eomer's race to the top - three votes very close to the end, two from people who thus saved themselves and each other. I'm pondering whether it would be worth considering that Sally and Eonwe be packmates, or just to suspect that at least one of the three late-voters is a KM. I'll need to read more in order to elaborate.

Regarding the night-kill: I wonder why did Boro's plan not work? Did they, indeed, want to kill the dreamer (which would point to Brinniel indeed being innocent, for otherwise KM would know he's bluffing)? Did they see through his bluff (which might show that Brinniel's guilty, but not very clearly)? Did they ignore the bluff and want to kill him for some other reason? And why would that be?

[Nerwen]

Mmmn, well that was more than a minute, wasn't it? Sorry, real life happens to the best of us, you know.

So phantom was the Night One Dreamer, then? His earlier posting toDay is then some kind of elaborate ploy (but what do you expect?) Or did Elendil depart from the plan?

[Pomegranate]

Okay, all Nerwen, Brinn, sally and phantom suspected Morsul, yet the two first ones decided that it is unwise to bring a new candidate in? Whilst I can see that it is scary not to leave someone time to defend themselves, I'm not sure if the rush against Eomer was any better in that aspect. There clearly was support to the idea, no-one just started voting.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

I'd think so, we'll have shasta let us know what she found. I think we mentioned trying to just use innocent for gifteds to protect them but if she did dream boro and get his role that'd be surely useful. In fact if Boro wasn't the dreamed then I hate to while not conclusive that may point to boro being elendil(why dream yourself right?)

Another reminder: the gifteds' roles are not revealed, not in narrations and not in dreams.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Also, I'm thinking Elendil, like Isildur, can't affect himself with his gift. Accurate, yes/no? I may correct myself when I go poke at the admin thread, but I'm working on a post right now and am being quite lazy.

That's right. Elendil doesn't actually have any information himself, and no one dreams about him.



Today I'm coming home quite late and I'm afraid I'll only skim through the thread before DL. So if you have any other questions I'd ask you to please bold or highlight them so that I don't miss them accidentally.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Pomegranate

Votes: Brinniel and Nerwen made points on not adding new people to the voting. I'll need to check the times, but I don't like that point - if you don't believe anyone on the voting list is a KM, it's better to (potentially) lose a vote than to vote an innocent. And if you do, why keep mentioning that you only vote within the already-voted, since you'd then have other things to say as well.

??? Firstly, Pom, I didn't say "I don't believe anyone on the voting list is a KM". And secondly, I didn't say I "only vote with the already-voted" even once, let alone "keep mentioning" it. Where did all that come from?

Originally Posted by Pom

What is fascinating is also Eomer's race to the top - three votes very close to the end, two from people who thus saved themselves and each other. I'm pondering whether it would be worth considering that Sally and Eonwe be packmates, or just to suspect that at least one of the three late-voters is a KM.

I don't think the circumstances require a Sally + Steve theory to explain them, no. It's always likely enough that a substantial bandwagon on an innocent includes a wolf. If I had to pick *one* of them right now, I think Steve would be my guess– though that's more a feeling at the moment (and, to be fair, I may be picking it up from other people– I need to read back over yesterDay).

Originally Posted by Pom

Regarding the night-kill: I wonder why did Boro's plan not work? Did they, indeed, want to kill the dreamer (which would point to Brinniel indeed being innocent, for otherwise KM would know he's bluffing)? Did they see through his bluff (which might show that Brinniel's guilty, but not very clearly)? Did they ignore the bluff and want to kill him for some other reason? And why would that be?

*shrugs* Well, the usual, I suppose: he's always a dangerous player, and no doubt his death frames someone-or-other– but neither of those seem adequate, do they?
EDIT:X'd Since last post.