The Barrow Cache, with speculation on the Reason for the WK sending

[Juicy-Sweet]

Originally Posted by Alfirin

Actually, that might not be the case. Killing a Barrow-Wight is actually quite easy, provided you know it is there. A wight is deadly when you are in its barrow and under it's spell. However they do have one huge weakness, daylight. Daylight hits them, they dissolve into mist (this is basically what Tom did when he broke open the Barrows, he let the light in and killed the wight in each barrow he opened. The Hobbits got in trouble in no small parts because they were hobbits; untrained, unaware of the nature of the danger, and still not experienced enough to take appropriate care. In contrast a group of individuals who went there KNOWING was was wating for them might have a very different story. They could wait for a sunny day (the wights may have trouble calling up the fog if condtions aren't already inclined to be misty. Or if they are elves, who are good at seeing by very little light, fog may not impair them as much as hobbits) Instead of trying to enter each barrow and deal with the wight mano-a-mano you simply dig in from the top and let the light in, the light hits the wight dissolves and the barrows contents are free for the taking. Dealing with 393 wights one on one would indeed take years, having a small group chop holes in the top of each one, would only take a few weeks, possibly only a few days, depending on how fast you can dig (Tom did one in a few hours singlehandedly) .

I'm not convinced they are "easy". Not sure if theres any mention in LOTR or elsewhere about the strength of a barrow wight. I've got no idea how the wight defends itself - but I think if it was as easy as digging a whole on a sunny day, they would have been empty long ago. The book gives me no clear idea at all of what they can and cant do. I don't think normal people can open a barrow with a wight inside. I think they would use the sleep spell on anyone trying to dig and then kill them in the night. Or use the LOST iN THE FOG spell to make them loose their way.

I dont know this ... just deduce from the fact that everyone left them alone for centuries that they are quite dangerous.

If say a dwarf could kill one, they would have for sure, for the gold.

I like your thinking though I guess both options are possible that

a) they are so strong that only the really big good guys can kill them, but its two low priority for them
b) anyone with a shovel can kill them, but nobody knows so people leave them alone

I still think it likey that the rest of the Barrows were eventually exumed, probably by former Rangers under Now crowned Aragorn's orders as part of some sort of "make sure that, should we get into a situation similar to what we have just gone through, we have every advantage on our side"

That makes sense... also for Shelob, since ex-Mordor would become the New Gondor. And when Cirith Ungol got transformed into a historic tourist attraction, they would want to remove Shelob. Who they probably put in Minas Ithil Zoo

One final note, I'm not sure the brooches would neccecarily be all that useless. A culture who could weave spells into thier blades that would make them extra effective agaisnt Nazgul might have a few tricks they could work into cloak holds and things like that. Maybe a spell that provided protection against a wraiths ability to inspire fear

Yeah, there must be all sorts of stuff in those barrows.

[Alfirin]

Originally Posted by Juicy-Sweet

I'm not convinced they are "easy". Not sure if theres any mention in LOTR or elsewhere about the strength of a barrow wight. I've got no idea how the wight defends itself - but I think if it was as easy as digging a whole on a sunny day, they would have been empty long ago. The book gives me no clear idea at all of what they can and cant do. I don't think normal people can open a barrow with a wight inside. I think they would use the sleep spell on anyone trying to dig and then kill them in the night. Or use the LOST iN THE FOG spell to make them loose their way.

I dont know this ... just deduce from the fact that everyone left them alone for centuries that they are quite dangerous.

If say a dwarf could kill one, they would have for sure, for the gold.

I like your thinking though I guess both options are possible that

a) they are so strong that only the really big good guys can kill them, but its two low priority for them
b) anyone with a shovel can kill them, but nobody knows so people leave them alone

That makes sense... also for Shelob, since ex-Mordor would become the New Gondor. And when Cirith Ungol got transformed into a historic tourist attraction, they would want to remove Shelob. Who they probably put in Minas Ithil Zoo

Yeah, there must be all sorts of stuff in those barrows.

Well, the whole AREA was sort of left alone for centuries, The WK's occupation had sort of "blighted" the whole region, and no one seems to have been eager to go wandering around there even after he had vacated it. There is also the matter of Tom Himself; since he is a force unto himself (read non aligned) he is a sort of indeterminate variable, and the downs are in HIS realm. He took a liking to the Hobbits, and seems to be close to Gandalf, but that doesn't mean that any person who wanders in will be so welcome. As for dwarves, how would they even know of it? It was a battle involving men and elves, a long long way from any of thier settlements. The Dwaven people love gold, but it's not like they they spend their time trapising around ME digging up every place there might be treasure (if they did they'd have known about the Troll's cache ages ago).
Yes this is sort of what I imagined for Mordor except instead of "New Gondor" I sort of Imagined it sort of splt in half between Ithillien since that is closer to Mordor in the north of Mordor, and Nurn in the South (though since Ithillien is a fiefdom of Gondor, and Nurn probably became one as well at the end of the War of the Rings (I imagine the Nurnien people were very greatful to thier liberators, and that Gondor would want to make sure that that land was close to them (good ports, plus he who control Nurn controls nearly all of Mordor's food supply.) )) You could say that they were sort of New Gondor.) Plus Ithillien had a colony of Mirkwood elves to give them a hand, elves who had shared a forest with giant spiders and so probably were handy at dealing with them (Shelob is a lot bigger than any Mirkwood spider, but at least the elves would have experiance.) But not the Minas Ithil Zoo (it is said explicitly that Minas Ithil/Morgul was never rebuilt, so the zoo would have to be in Emyn Armen.) Not that she'd probably last all that long in bright white light.