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Coppermirror · 02-01-2013, 01:07 PM

Nog: If he's a Nog-wizard, we now know that he wasn't voting McCab in order to save Pom. However, he might have been doing it in order to set himself up to look better later, by sitting on the fence and seeming to suspect both of those two. Overall I'd say the new info makes him look a little better, but...

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

So why on earth - if I were a packmate of Pom - did I do what I did? That would have been soo unnecessary an attempt (the possibility of it going down the drain aka. Pom getting lynched anyway would have been high indeed while risking myself) while the other option (making sure Pom gets lynched and I get the glory for it) would have been so much more smoother. I would have been a very stupid wolf

That would actually be explained given that both McCab and Pom were wizards, and voting for the other candidates might well look fishy.

Aside from that, McCaber seemed to suspect him...

Rikae: I do have to agree with Nerwen that unless we get some serious new info on Rikae, if she was actually a wizard all this time, we're probably sunk as a troll village.

Also, note how McCab went for her in post #210.

Sally: #215 from her worries me in that she's jumping on the "innocent McCab" thing from Morsul and pointing out that Lottie said it first. I think the "innocent McCab" would be a great thing for wizards to use as ammo, knowing that of course, McCab really wasn't.

Although in #217, she's still suspecting him on the grounds of Pom's reaction to his vote looking incriminating. Would that really be a safe thing for a wizard Sally to keep in people's minds?

Anyway, those are just my thoughts so far as I look through the pages0

I have to mention, I have to vote within half an hour of now or not vote at all, and I'm still having trouble with my computer being slow in hot weather (although I think it's not at risk of damaging itself any more...), which is making going through the previous pages even slower. If I haven't voted within 40 minutes, you can safely assume there is no chance whatsoever that I'll be back toDay.

Kath · 02-01-2013, 01:16 PM

So, SO sorry to be doing this on toDay of all Days ... but this is it from me. I am only just home and going straight back out.

+sally
For reasons previously stated. Lottie said I was being 'typical innocent' by trying to make Morsul's vote for sally fit my wolf theory. No. I was saying that made Morsul less likely to be a wolf if sally was one. Well, Morsul wasn't a wolf. So sally.

Really, really sorry for being all but a no-show.

Nogrod · 02-01-2013, 02:39 PM

Well, Day3 was not much of a help... if not helping to feel that Brinn was quite seriously defending Rikae when the spot was tight. And then got killed the next Night.

What happened on D3?

Brinn comes to defend Rikae and to suspect Nerwen immediately after Rikae's self-vote and Nerwen's quick vote for Rikae.

Morsul votes for Rikae while Zil echoes Brinn in no uncertain terms saying Rikae "logically would have not done that" and that he's "not buying it". Zil also suspects Nerwen's quick vote.

After Rikae's and Nerwen's row things seem to settle down and most all think Rikae is not going to be voted that Day.

Just for the sheer oddity and fun of it, I have to cite McCaber-Wizard here, one of Rikae's earliest and staunchest supporters during the row:

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Originally Posted by McCaber #365

Yes. I expect people to use their better judgment. The situation doesn't add up for Rikae being evil and simultaneously freaking out like that. That would put a vast undue burden on packmates in the very early stages of the game. And her whole confession post is incoherent probably on purpose trying to showcase the absurdity of her actions.

Some (I think) decent points were made against Boro and he got voted by a few - and then those who didn't like Boro being voted went for Morsul.

I'm not sure I wish to go through whole of the Days 4 and 5 the next... so a pause for thinking where or what to look. Anybody else out there?

satansaloser2005 · 02-01-2013, 03:11 PM

Holy crap. I've only now reached the end of Day 3. Thoughts on that coming soon, I guess, for I'm running out of time.

Nogrod · 02-01-2013, 03:23 PM

One has to start on something then.

Reading things back toDay gives me these.

Rikae - more or less needs to be innocent. She was so heavily defended by Brinn on D3 (and Brinn got killed the next Night) and there were some hints - even if not too clear ones that Brinn had dreamt of her, probably on the first Night (quite a believable choice).

I can see scenarios where Rikae is a Wizard but well, one has to start with something: so probably not a wizard

Nerwen - Her quick vote on Rikae is a bit odd and the consecutive votes of two Wizards on D1 could be seen as trying to help a mate - although in fairness' sake it must be said that it would have been very odd - and fun indeed - if the major suspects on D1 had been three (or even four?) Wizards!!!

If the Wizards were going after Volo as a possible seer though (it is a possible scenario even if Rikae would be a basic troll as well), then she'd look very good indeed - and I do like that explanation as it puzzles me why they killed Volo who just screamed to be lynched and was not one of them (so a kill wasted?).

Sally - Her vote for Pom on D1 would have been really daring for a mate (especially as McCaber was high on the agenda already).

Then again her other votes have been mostly very careful indeed, while on D5 the timing of her vote was almost perfect to end up too many other candidates being fitted in (and it was actually McCaber who in five minutes sealed that). On the other side of the issue, she herself was the only person voted thus far beside Morsul.

What Kath suggests kind of puzzles me though... yeah, Sally seems to have voted for Morsul three times out of five (then one time Pom and one time with everyone else for Gil) but does Morsul's innocence make her a Wizard? It could (the insistence on voting a generally suspicious player might be a safe Wizard-tactics), but does it (did she really vote a mate onD1 in such a situation?)?

Some others in a moment.

Nogrod · 02-01-2013, 03:40 PM

Continuing...

Copper - Looks pretty genuine most of the time and then sometimes feels foul. Votes mostly early and in the way the general wind seems to blow.

Then again the fact that two known Wizards voted for her almost simultaneously would speak good for her. It would be absurd and like a story of the decade if two wolves decided to try and look good and crosspost a vote for their mate thus making her a seroius contender to be lynched.

So I need to say I'm relying Copper being more innocent than not.

Kath - I'm really yet no wiser about her (I see I haven't read her posts toDay either - I try to fix that after I leave this post) - like none seems to be. That in itself should be creepy!

On the other habd one could say that a victory scored while being a submarine is not a real victory. If she has posted substantially on Days 4 & 5 (which I'm not sure I have seen), then our ignorance is to blame if she is a Wizard.

Inzil - It is really hard for me to think an innocent makes a self-vote in situation like this (meaning the numbers we have), but a Wizard might try a copy-cat thing after seeing Rikae got away with hers. Yet the idea bothers me - like the idea we 're going to have one more bandwagon where more or less everyone vote the same.

He did give Pom the first vote on D1 (which actually led to her lynching) when two others (Nerwen and Copper) were leading the tally with two votes (and McCaber had one - and with a crosspost two as well).

Okay. Needs to have a decision on this...

Nogrod · 02-01-2013, 03:51 PM

I did some fast skimming on Kath's posting and they seemed very much independent-minded - and made by sokmeone who only has occasional time for the game. So I'd rather not vote her toDay.

I see she is most suspicious of Sally and Copper.

Blah, it all seems come down to this: in how dire straits the Wizards really were on Day1? Were there two Wizards voted heavily, three, or even all of them?

And after that they all more or less avoided notice, until hopefully toDay?

That sounds pretty much incredible.

Where's everyone?

The tally (hopefully someone corrects it if it is wrong)

Rikae -> Inzil
Inzil -> Inzil (2)
Kath -> Sally

Nogrod · 02-01-2013, 03:57 PM

Okay. If Nerwen is a Wizard, then I'd say Sally (or Zil) could be one too.

ToDay Zil looks the most suspicious.

If the wolves were really bold - and their situation was really insane - it might even be that Copper and Nerwen are the last wolves.

EDIT: X'd with Sally X2

02-01-2013, 03:11 PM	#4
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	Holy crap. I've only now reached the end of Day 3. Thoughts on that coming soon, I guess, for I'm running out of time. __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.

02-01-2013, 03:23 PM	#5
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	One has to start on something then. Reading things back toDay gives me these. Rikae - more or less needs to be innocent. She was so heavily defended by Brinn on D3 (and Brinn got killed the next Night) and there were some hints - even if not too clear ones that Brinn had dreamt of her, probably on the first Night (quite a believable choice). I can see scenarios where Rikae is a Wizard but well, one has to start with something: so probably not a wizard Nerwen - Her quick vote on Rikae is a bit odd and the consecutive votes of two Wizards on D1 could be seen as trying to help a mate - although in fairness' sake it must be said that it would have been very odd - and fun indeed - if the major suspects on D1 had been three (or even four?) Wizards!!! If the Wizards were going after Volo as a possible seer though (it is a possible scenario even if Rikae would be a basic troll as well), then she'd look very good indeed - and I do like that explanation as it puzzles me why they killed Volo who just screamed to be lynched and was not one of them (so a kill wasted?). Sally - Her vote for Pom on D1 would have been really daring for a mate (especially as McCaber was high on the agenda already). Then again her other votes have been mostly very careful indeed, while on D5 the timing of her vote was almost perfect to end up too many other candidates being fitted in (and it was actually McCaber who in five minutes sealed that). On the other side of the issue, she herself was the only person voted thus far beside Morsul. What Kath suggests kind of puzzles me though... yeah, Sally seems to have voted for Morsul three times out of five (then one time Pom and one time with everyone else for Gil) but does Morsul's innocence make her a Wizard? It could (the insistence on voting a generally suspicious player might be a safe Wizard-tactics), but does it (did she really vote a mate onD1 in such a situation?)? Some others in a moment. __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

02-01-2013, 03:40 PM	#6
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Continuing... Copper - Looks pretty genuine most of the time and then sometimes feels foul. Votes mostly early and in the way the general wind seems to blow. Then again the fact that two known Wizards voted for her almost simultaneously would speak good for her. It would be absurd and like a story of the decade if two wolves decided to try and look good and crosspost a vote for their mate thus making her a seroius contender to be lynched. So I need to say I'm relying Copper being more innocent than not. Kath - I'm really yet no wiser about her (I see I haven't read her posts toDay either - I try to fix that after I leave this post) - like none seems to be. That in itself should be creepy! On the other habd one could say that a victory scored while being a submarine is not a real victory. If she has posted substantially on Days 4 & 5 (which I'm not sure I have seen), then our ignorance is to blame if she is a Wizard. Inzil - It is really hard for me to think an innocent makes a self-vote in situation like this (meaning the numbers we have), but a Wizard might try a copy-cat thing after seeing Rikae got away with hers. Yet the idea bothers me - like the idea we 're going to have one more bandwagon where more or less everyone vote the same. He did give Pom the first vote on D1 (which actually led to her lynching) when two others (Nerwen and Copper) were leading the tally with two votes (and McCaber had one - and with a crosspost two as well). Okay. Needs to have a decision on this... __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

02-01-2013, 03:51 PM	#7
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	I did some fast skimming on Kath's posting and they seemed very much independent-minded - and made by sokmeone who only has occasional time for the game. So I'd rather not vote her toDay. I see she is most suspicious of Sally and Copper. Blah, it all seems come down to this: in how dire straits the Wizards really were on Day1? Were there two Wizards voted heavily, three, or even all of them? And after that they all more or less avoided notice, until hopefully toDay? That sounds pretty much incredible. Where's everyone? The tally (hopefully someone corrects it if it is wrong) Rikae -> Inzil Inzil -> Inzil (2) Kath -> Sally __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

02-01-2013, 03:57 PM	#8
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Okay. If Nerwen is a Wizard, then I'd say Sally (or Zil) could be one too. ToDay Zil looks the most suspicious. If the wolves were really bold - and their situation was really insane - it might even be that Copper and Nerwen are the last wolves. EDIT: X'd with Sally X2 __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

02-01-2013, 01:16 PM	#2
Kath Everlasting Whiteness Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Perusing the laminated book of dreams Posts: 4,533	So, SO sorry to be doing this on toDay of all Days ... but this is it from me. I am only just home and going straight back out. +sally For reasons previously stated. Lottie said I was being 'typical innocent' by trying to make Morsul's vote for sally fit my wolf theory. No. I was saying that made Morsul less likely to be a wolf if sally was one. Well, Morsul wasn't a wolf. So sally. Really, really sorry for being all but a no-show. __________________ “If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.”