WW CI - Mutton yesterDay, mutton toDay and mutton toMorrow - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Nerwen · 02-03-2013, 05:58 AM

It could be Nog, too. The McCaber revelation may make him look better, but it doesn't actually clear him, since it would have been a matter of which fellow to sacrifice. Still, if it were me I'd have tried to save the more experienced wolf, i.e. McCaber.

Kath · 02-03-2013, 06:31 AM

Nog! Never have I been so insulted! Except I really have been no use and I am sorry. I'm here for a little now and then will be here for the last few hours before deadline.

Kath, Nerwen, Rikae, Nog and sally left. One is a wolf, one is the ranger, three innocent.

Is it worth the Ranger revealing toDay? Say if sally was the Ranger and revealed, that leaves us with 4 unknowns rather than 5. Bad luck we lynch an innocent we're down to 1 wolf and 3 innocents. Ranger gets Night killed we're down to 1 wolf and 2 innocents and have to get it right toMorrow.

The maths is still the same even without the reveal but it would give a bit of a rallying point. I'm just flat out fed up of coming to read the thread and wanting to leave because I'm uncomfortable with these horrible exchanges. That's not werewolf, that's personal. To have a 'known' innocent (assuming we trust the reveal or there's not a counter reveal or a triple, double bluff reveal!!) would be nice!

On to more thread-based topics. I do still suspect sally but whether innocent or guilty I can understand her frustration with the easy ride Rikae seems to be getting. That said, I would like some evidence for sally's assertion that 'Brinn trusted me'. We saw the Rikae evidence but was there actually any for sally?

Nerwen is also right about Rikae. I have seen her behave this way as many times guilty as innocent. Our own reading of Brinn's dreams could well be wrong. However, that's all we have. Maybe it's a mass delusion but I'm with Nerwen on having to hope it's not.

Nog - now for as much as he says he has no read on me I have to say I feel the same about him. Will definitely have a proper look at him later.

My POV just based on read through not actually analysing anyone:
Gut says sally.
Annoyance says Rikae.
Unknown-entity-fear says Nog.
Appear to feel fine about Nerwen.

Nogrod · 02-03-2013, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Kath

Nog! Never have I been so insulted! Except I really have been no use and I am sorry.

Oh, please Kath, don't you start that as well...

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Is it worth the Ranger revealing toDay? Say if sally was the Ranger and revealed, that leaves us with 4 unknowns rather than 5. Bad luck we lynch an innocent we're down to 1 wolf and 3 innocents. Ranger gets Night killed we're down to 1 wolf and 2 innocents and have to get it right toMorrow.

It's a complicated issue and naturally should be left to the ranger to decide.

Yes the ranger coming forwards would give us one innocent toDay - and quite for certain as the Wizard would probably not try to counter-reveal as we'd win then either toDay or toMorrow knowing another innocent wouldn't fake.

But it has a downside which is that the ranger would be dead toMorrow and couldn't try to save anyone the coming Night.

Sure there is at least one wild plot we could try to pull out with this revealment-stuff but I'm afraid it is too risky and could only confuse us.

Nerwen · 02-03-2013, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Kath

Is it worth the Ranger revealing toDay? Say if sally was the Ranger and revealed, that leaves us with 4 unknowns rather than 5. Bad luck we lynch an innocent we're down to 1 wolf and 3 innocents. Ranger gets Night killed we're down to 1 wolf and 2 innocents and have to get it right toMorrow.

I don't see the point of this, unless the Ranger is actually in danger of being lynched. Unless he or she can give us a second innocent, i.e. the person protected Night One is still alive. Not sure how likely that is, though– in fact, I suspect that might have been Volo.

Nerwen · 02-03-2013, 08:34 AM

Okay. I just have to vote now. I've delayed it as long as I could– and it's unlikely I'll be back again toDay.

I just can't sort out the Sally-Rikae business. It's either two innocents having a row or a wolf having a fight with an innocent– that much is certain, but at the moment I'm just not sure which.

++Kath

for possibly voting to help Zil yesterDay and for possibly trying to draw out the Ranger just then. Note that I said "possibly". That's all it is. I certainly don't claim I could make any proper case on her.

I'm sorry I can't be more help toDay. Good luck, anyway.

02-03-2013, 05:58 AM	#1
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	It could be Nog, too. The McCaber revelation may make him look better, but it doesn't actually clear him, since it would have been a matter of which fellow to sacrifice. Still, if it were me I'd have tried to save the more experienced wolf, i.e. McCaber. __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.

02-03-2013, 06:31 AM	#2
Kath Everlasting Whiteness Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Perusing the laminated book of dreams Posts: 4,533	Nog! Never have I been so insulted! Except I really have been no use and I am sorry. I'm here for a little now and then will be here for the last few hours before deadline. Kath, Nerwen, Rikae, Nog and sally left. One is a wolf, one is the ranger, three innocent. Is it worth the Ranger revealing toDay? Say if sally was the Ranger and revealed, that leaves us with 4 unknowns rather than 5. Bad luck we lynch an innocent we're down to 1 wolf and 3 innocents. Ranger gets Night killed we're down to 1 wolf and 2 innocents and have to get it right toMorrow. The maths is still the same even without the reveal but it would give a bit of a rallying point. I'm just flat out fed up of coming to read the thread and wanting to leave because I'm uncomfortable with these horrible exchanges. That's not werewolf, that's personal. To have a 'known' innocent (assuming we trust the reveal or there's not a counter reveal or a triple, double bluff reveal!!) would be nice! On to more thread-based topics. I do still suspect sally but whether innocent or guilty I can understand her frustration with the easy ride Rikae seems to be getting. That said, I would like some evidence for sally's assertion that 'Brinn trusted me'. We saw the Rikae evidence but was there actually any for sally? Nerwen is also right about Rikae. I have seen her behave this way as many times guilty as innocent. Our own reading of Brinn's dreams could well be wrong. However, that's all we have. Maybe it's a mass delusion but I'm with Nerwen on having to hope it's not. Nog - now for as much as he says he has no read on me I have to say I feel the same about him. Will definitely have a proper look at him later. My POV just based on read through not actually analysing anyone: Gut says sally. Annoyance says Rikae. Unknown-entity-fear says Nog. Appear to feel fine about Nerwen. __________________ “If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.”

02-03-2013, 08:34 AM	#5
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	Okay. I just have to vote now. I've delayed it as long as I could– and it's unlikely I'll be back again toDay. I just can't sort out the Sally-Rikae business. It's either two innocents having a row or a wolf having a fight with an innocent– that much is certain, but at the moment I'm just not sure which. ++Kath for possibly voting to help Zil yesterDay and for possibly trying to draw out the Ranger just then. Note that I said "possibly". That's all it is. I certainly don't claim I could make any proper case on her. I'm sorry I can't be more help toDay. Good luck, anyway. __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.