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Old 04-15-2013, 03:30 PM   #1
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Fans would most likely watch a movie anything to do with Middle - Earth regardless if it was written by J.R.R or not. Curiosity. Even if people didnt like it, and they watched it at the cinemas, too bad, the money is already coming in for them even if you passionately hated it.

I am not sure where I am going with this, but I have read quite a lot of articles and in most it says...

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While evil would continue to exist, Sauron could never emerge as a Dark Lord again and never would have the power to create an army or draw evil creatures to his rule as he once did
To me, this implies there is an ultimately high chance of 'new evil' coming forth. Most of you would watch it, regardless if it was J.R.R Tolkiens work or not as stated before.
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Old 04-15-2013, 03:47 PM   #2
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Fans would most likely watch a movie anything to do with Middle - Earth regardless if it was written by J.R.R or not. Curiosity. Even if people didnt like it, and they watched it at the cinemas, too bad, the money is already coming in for them even if you passionately hated it.
I think you might be mistaken on that score. I, for one will not mindlessly devour junk-food Tolkien, no matter how appetizing it might look. Quality mind-nutrition came from the Professor, and I'm perfectly content to stick with things he himself or his authorized Executor have and will produce.
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Old 04-15-2013, 04:22 PM   #3
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Fans would most likely watch a movie anything to do with Middle - Earth regardless if it was written by J.R.R or not. Curiosity. Even if people didnt like it, and they watched it at the cinemas, too bad, the money is already coming in for them even if you passionately hated it.
I know people who would go and see it out of curiosity, but they are the kind of people who go to see fantasy movies only because it is fantasy, so it does not really count. I think most of Tolkien fans who are interested in Tolkien won't go to see, say, Peter Jackson's new invention-addittion to the franchise. I would not, for example. Basically what Zigűr had said about "because I am a fan, doesn't mean I have to read every fanfic". That applies also to movies.

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To me, this implies there is an ultimately high chance of 'new evil' coming forth.
Really? All I see there is exactly the opposite: "the evil from Sauron is never coming back". And since most of the evil in Middle-Earth came from Sauron (after Morgoth's defeat), the only evil can probably come from some "normal" things: evil men, bandits and such. Sort of what was said above. No "supernatural" evil has any more chance anymore (and after all, this is the age of Men. Elves are leaving, all the "faery powers", good or evil, are leaving). The Blue Wizards turned evil is probably the best possible way, but canonically, that is doubtful.
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Old 04-15-2013, 04:54 PM   #4
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Fans would most likely watch a movie anything to do with Middle - Earth regardless if it was written by J.R.R or not. Curiosity.
Well, no. Not the fans that actually know something about the creation of LOTR and realise that all that is fanfiction. Some might come because they are movie fans and don't realize/care that that's not book material at all anymore. Others might come, as you said, out of curiosity. But a significant number won't bother with it. There are some wise people among our number who didn't waste money on TH movies, and I'm positive that this number will increase if the next big "LOTR" film will be a fanfic. Personally, while I probably will watch the rest of TH with the family, I would not even consider going to a fanfic film, especially if it's made in the style of LOTR and TH.

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To me, this implies there is an ultimately high chance of 'new evil' coming forth. Most of you would watch it, regardless if it was J.R.R Tolkiens work or not as stated before.
I would echo Legate here. While it's true that there is still evil (and evil is still evil, no matter who does it or why he does it or how it ends, and Mandos would say), there is no centre for it. No real source. Imagine that you used to have a huge tree. Then you chopped the tree down and planted grass over the spot. Sure, there's lots of grass growing there now, and grass is plants just the same as trees, but it's petty in comparisson. It's only strength is in the number of grass plants (compared to one tree). Morgoth, and later Sauron, were like the trees in that sense. After they were thrown into the Void, there's no doubt that evil continued to exist - but in the form of grass. Never something centered, never something as powerful. Many, but little and petty evil deeds.
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Old 04-15-2013, 08:02 PM   #5
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Dark Lord– as I said before, the trouble is, you're arguing on multiple grounds without separating the arguments at all.

Let me try–
Argument 1. Hollywood would churn out LotR sequels (or maybe that should be "sequels")if it looked like there was enough money in it. –Sure, no-one's disputing that. By the same token, though, they wouldn't if it didn't. Which brings us to–
1.a.) And such sequels would in fact be highly profitable. –Hard to say. Yes, there are people who will go to see *anything* with a certain "brand" on it, and often do their best to convince themselves they loved it regardless... but this group gets smaller and smaller as a franchise outwears its welcome.

This is completely different from

Argument 2.) And Tolkien himself would have approved of all this. –A flat "no". You are basing this on statements taken completely out of context, such as the following:

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To me, this implies there is an ultimately high chance of 'new evil' coming forth. Most of you would watch it, regardless if it was J.R.R Tolkiens work or not as stated before.
"New evil" being LotR sequels, then?

Seriously, aren't you just pulling all this from the original April Fool's Day post, anyway?
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Old 04-16-2013, 01:07 AM   #6
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Seriously, aren't you just pulling all this from the original April Fool's Day post, anyway?
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Old 04-16-2013, 03:29 PM   #7
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"Just a little extraction" from a load of April Fools foolishness? And if the extraction said "the Shire is covered in purple grass", would you also argue that? I must admit that I do not understand your logic here. Taking only a small part of fabricated information doesn't make it less fabricated.
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Old 04-15-2013, 07:32 PM   #8
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Fans would most likely watch a movie anything to do with Middle - Earth regardless if it was written by J.R.R or not. Curiosity. Even if people didnt like it, and they watched it at the cinemas, too bad, the money is already coming in for them even if you passionately hated it.
Are you speaking of the more superficial faction of fans of Jackson's movies? If so, you are probably right. Jackson could stamp "Lord of the Rings" on a pig sty gate and a certain percentage of the population would come to wallow.

But it doesn't mean the rest of us will muck through it. Even with waders.


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To me, this implies there is an ultimately high chance of 'new evil' coming forth. Most of you would watch it, regardless if it was J.R.R Tolkiens work or not as stated before.
No, evil has made its final descent from malevolent deities and is no longer demonic in nature. The 4th Age begins the Age of Man, and Mankind is evil enough without some supernatural instigator prodding us along.
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