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Eönwë · 09-02-2013, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by bcbdrums

works for me!

i'm either not researching correctly or i'm just too picky, because i can't seem to find a list of roots or how to stick them together, which is why i didn't make up a cool name for myself here...

Try Ardalambion. It's probably the best Tolkien-language resource I know of.

Mornorngûr · 09-03-2013, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Eönwë

Try Ardalambion. It's probably the best Tolkien-language resource I know of.

I have just been checking this out and you are right, this site is really great. It covers 15 or so different tongues and is very informative. Thanks Eönwë I will actually be using this myself from now on.

avar · 09-08-2013, 04:29 AM

Dear all,
I am new to this forum (but was active many years ago on usenet's alt.fan.tolkien and rec.arts.books.tolkien). I have re-immersed myself in Tolkien lately, and having read everything, I seem to lack the strength to leave his world, as it is so much better that ours.

We'll see if I'll think about anyting to post.

Inziladun · 09-08-2013, 05:26 AM

Welcome, avar! Have fun here!

bcbdrums · 09-08-2013, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Mornorngûr

Thank you, I like it too. I could if you want have a crack at making a few names for you if you wanted me too. If you give me the English meaning (eg. Blue-Sky-Light, or something.), I will give you a list of possible renderings.

Thank you! I'm not entirely sure what I want yet... possibly something like "star-music" but I'm undecided.

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Originally Posted by Eönwë

Try Ardalambion. It's probably the best Tolkien-language resource I know of.

Wow. That is a LOT of information, I think I'll be lost in there for weeks! Thanks!

Mornorngûr · 09-10-2013, 05:26 AM

Ok for this name we can use the following:

el = Star. Plural = elenath, elin
êl = Star. Plural = êlenath, êlin
elen = Star. Plural = elin
en = Of the
lin = Music, Musical sound
gil = Star, Bright spark. Plural = giliath

If you want 'Star Music', then try one of these: Ellin, Elengil, Elenlin.

However I would prefer to make the meaning of the name 'Music of the Stars' or 'Star(s) of the Music', we can then have a more attractive name IMO, something like: Gilenêlenil, Gilenêlin, Linenêlin,.

Do you like any of these?

Mithalwen · 09-10-2013, 08:26 AM

I don't think you always need to translate the ofcthe cf Osgiliath, citadel of the stars. You could just have Lingiliath

bcbdrums · 09-13-2013, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Mornorngûr

Ok for this name we can use the following:

el = Star. Plural = elenath, elin
êl = Star. Plural = êlenath, êlin
elen = Star. Plural = elin
en = Of the
lin = Music, Musical sound
gil = Star, Bright spark. Plural = giliath

If you want 'Star Music', then try one of these: Ellin, Elengil, Elenlin.

However I would prefer to make the meaning of the name 'Music of the Stars' or 'Star(s) of the Music', we can then have a more attractive name IMO, something like: Gilenêlenil, Gilenêlin, Linenêlin,.

Do you like any of these?

I like them, but none of them is "quite right." But they've given me a great jumping-off point to make one up, now that I have an idea on how they're structured. Thanks!

And I'm curious now, what names are more common, Quenya or Sindarin? Are Quenya and Sindarin names interchangeable? Are the rules always followed in constructing names, or is there a lot of freedom? Are some suffixes reserved for masculine names or are they interchangeable between masculine and feminine? There's so much involved in these languages, it's fascinating!

Mithalwen · 09-13-2013, 11:50 AM

I could weep. I have juat lost a long post and not sure I can remember it all. Sorry ifvthisnis bullet pointy.

First there is an elvi sh cuatom of self naming somitbis important your name feels right for you.

Sindarin names are more common since the exiled noldor adapted their quenya names or acquired new ones for political reasons but some words are similar. Numenorean rulers did favour Quenya names at the beginning.

Yes some suffixes are gender specific. I willl try to redo my list.

Mithalwen · 09-13-2013, 01:06 PM

Herecwe go again.

-ion and -iel mean son and daughter often figuratively not literally eg Aldarion, lordcof trees, Ereinion, scion of kings, Lomion, child of twighlight. Uineniel, daughter of Uinen,, Firiel, mortal woman, Miriel jewel lady etc

-riel is specifically a garlanded maiden ans -rian meaning queen is related..the idea of abeing crowned. Galadriel, is crowned with light because of her hair and her daughter's name is surmised to relate to her inheriting her father's hair colouring.

-HIR is male meaning lord -ROHIR is horse lord so Knight as in Elrohir, elf or starknight, Elphir swanlord. Hiril is lady but I can't think of any personal names using it.

-DAN as in Cirdan means wright more likely male

-dir is a suffix indicating a male person. I have seen -ien used as the female equivalent but it was atthe LOTR musical so not sure how authentic..Mithrandir, grey wanderer male, elranien, star wanderer female, Haldir, tall guy, Lindir, singer or musician, male,

-ndis is bride as in Erendis and Indis.

Mithalwen · 09-13-2013, 01:21 PM

Oh Yes ner is man and nis ia woman as in Artanis and Nerwen
Wen is woman too but not in my screen name where it is part of alwen meaning tree.

09-08-2013, 04:29 AM	#3
avar Newly Deceased Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 5	avar Dear all, I am new to this forum (but was active many years ago on usenet's alt.fan.tolkien and rec.arts.books.tolkien). I have re-immersed myself in Tolkien lately, and having read everything, I seem to lack the strength to leave his world, as it is so much better that ours. We'll see if I'll think about anyting to post.

09-08-2013, 05:26 AM	#4
Inziladun Gruesome Spectre Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Heaven's doorstep Posts: 8,039	Welcome, avar! Have fun here! __________________ Music alone proves the existence of God.

09-10-2013, 05:26 AM	#6
Mornorngûr Animated Skeleton Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Angband Posts: 36	Ok for this name we can use the following: el = Star. Plural = elenath, elin êl = Star. Plural = êlenath, êlin elen = Star. Plural = elin en = Of the lin = Music, Musical sound gil = Star, Bright spark. Plural = giliath If you want 'Star Music', then try one of these: Ellin, Elengil, Elenlin. However I would prefer to make the meaning of the name 'Music of the Stars' or 'Star(s) of the Music', we can then have a more attractive name IMO, something like: Gilenêlenil, Gilenêlin, Linenêlin,. Do you like any of these? __________________ Then Sauron laughed: 'Patience! Not long shall ye abide. But first a song I will sing to you, to ears intent.' Then his flaming eyes he on them bent, and darkness black fell round them all. Last edited by Mornorngûr; 09-10-2013 at 05:37 AM.

09-10-2013, 08:26 AM	#7
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	I don't think you always need to translate the ofcthe cf Osgiliath, citadel of the stars. You could just have Lingiliath __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

09-13-2013, 11:50 AM	#9
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	I could weep. I have juat lost a long post and not sure I can remember it all. Sorry ifvthisnis bullet pointy. First there is an elvi sh cuatom of self naming somitbis important your name feels right for you. Sindarin names are more common since the exiled noldor adapted their quenya names or acquired new ones for political reasons but some words are similar. Numenorean rulers did favour Quenya names at the beginning. Yes some suffixes are gender specific. I willl try to redo my list. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

09-13-2013, 01:06 PM	#10
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	Herecwe go again. -ion and -iel mean son and daughter often figuratively not literally eg Aldarion, lordcof trees, Ereinion, scion of kings, Lomion, child of twighlight. Uineniel, daughter of Uinen,, Firiel, mortal woman, Miriel jewel lady etc -riel is specifically a garlanded maiden ans -rian meaning queen is related..the idea of abeing crowned. Galadriel, is crowned with light because of her hair and her daughter's name is surmised to relate to her inheriting her father's hair colouring. -HIR is male meaning lord -ROHIR is horse lord so Knight as in Elrohir, elf or starknight, Elphir swanlord. Hiril is lady but I can't think of any personal names using it. -DAN as in Cirdan means wright more likely male -dir is a suffix indicating a male person. I have seen -ien used as the female equivalent but it was atthe LOTR musical so not sure how authentic..Mithrandir, grey wanderer male, elranien, star wanderer female, Haldir, tall guy, Lindir, singer or musician, male, -ndis is bride as in Erendis and Indis. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

09-13-2013, 01:21 PM	#11
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	Oh Yes ner is man and nis ia woman as in Artanis and Nerwen Wen is woman too but not in my screen name where it is part of alwen meaning tree. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace