Arwen vs. Galadriel

[Ivriniel]

Originally Posted by Galin

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That's a bit Maeglin weirded Teleporno because Galadriel grew short when she smelled of Dwarves, because utterly, is a bit utterly utterly-est-are you sure? that sure, est, un-lighted?

Late-has-weight (I like the idiom), tho, as u rightly point out, does not always imply accuracy.

Though, really, I'm not utterly utterly-est sure he (Tolkien) was so void of neuronal integrity at 73 that he would have forgotten good ole crazy alpha boi Celeborn and all that!

The distinct lineage, of Alqualonde carries some weight, imo, coz Galdriel (even as feanor's unfriend forever) was one of the Great-est uber-est. Even ranked as nigh to Feanor......so.....I've always been uncomfortable with her partnering a Teleri who never saw The Trees. It seems to me that Teleporno, for that reason, and of such high lineage, made a better match.

[edit]do u have Tolkien's ct and fMRI scans handy? Post em and let's see how much grey matter was left [/edit]

[Galin]

Originally Posted by Ivriniel

That's a bit Maeglin weirded Teleporno because Galadriel grew short when she smelled of Dwarves, because utterly, is a bit utterly utterly-est-are you sure? that sure, est, un-lighted?

Late-has-weight (I like the idiom), tho, as u rightly point out, does not always imply accuracy.

I'm not sure I understand what you're asking here. Am I sure Tolkien himself published that Celeborn was a Sindarin Elf?

Yes twice; although one mention fell out in the second edition.

This late version also contradicts Galadriel's role in the Rebellion in The Road Goes Ever On. And while not an impossible thing to explain, it makes me wonder why Celeborn, if 'really' from Aman that is, seemed not to want to part with Galadriel when he remained, for a time, in Middle-earth.

He didn't want to go back to Swanhaven 'so soon'? Ahem. Possibly, but it seems odd...

... and even when Tolkien spoke to why Celeborn remained for a time, part of his statement [in an letter that does not appear in The Letters of J. R. R. Tolkien but was published by Hammond and Scull] included that Celeborn had never been to Aman.

[Galin]

On an aside, I'm sorry, but how on Valinor can Maeglin be a 'Dark Elf'. The text says "he was kinsman of Thingol of Doriath!" And bangs on, several times, about Eol being proudly Telerin, cross, bothered and spitting chips about all the Noldor-ish Elfy things ruining his Telerin party. Though, he has dark hair! Ha? Telerin, and all that!

Do you mean Eol, or Maeglin? If Eol he was not only a Dark-elf as in 'one of those who had not experienced the light of Valinor' but I think he was called the Dark Elf because he desired the deep shadow of the forest, loving the night and the twilight.

He was called Sun-shy at one point in the tale.

Other dark associations that might be made: it was said that Eol would go abroad clad, in some measure, in galvorn (black and shining like jet) for example.

Melian also referred to the dark heart of the Smith when describing one of his works.

[Ivriniel]

Originally Posted by Galin

Do you mean Eol, or Maeglin? If Eol he was not only a Dark-elf as in 'one of those who had not experienced the light of Valinor' but I think he was called the Dark Elf because he desired the deep shadow of the forest, loving the night and the twilight.

He was called Sun-shy at one point in the tale.

Other dark associations that might be made: it was said that Eol would go abroad clad, in some measure, in galvorn (black and shining like jet) for example.

Melian also referred to the dark heart of the Smith when describing one of his works.

Eol -- makes sense here ...