What if it wasn't The One Ring? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Nerwen · 05-02-2014, 03:34 AM

I mean, seriously, what was the OP trying to say? I can’t work it out at all.

Mithalwen · 05-02-2014, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Nerwen

I mean, seriously, what was the OP trying to say? I can’t work it out at all.

But it has unearthed a couple of absolute gems from the Squatter which since they predate my joining here I am delighted to discover... if anyone can cope with lunacy..

Alfirin · 05-02-2014, 10:27 AM

What do you think would have happened if Sauron had made NO ruling ring, or more accurately if he hadn't NEEDED to? That is, what do you think would have happend if Sauron had twisted the making of the lesser rings in such a manner that he could control all of them and thier owners DIRECTLY, without the One Ring as an intermediary? In other words, if we were in a situation where the Power of the Ring and the Power of Sauron himself the entity were not and could not be seperated in any sense, where he COULDN'T be "diminished" that way.
I think in a sense, we get a little of this in the Nazgul themselves. They are tied to the one ring in the sense that they can only exist so long as it does (in a certain sense, it is powering their continued life) but the fact that Sauron has no trouble calling them back to him when he techically does not posses the one ring, and the fact that, should they ever get the one ring the would automatically bring it back to Sauron without any thought of even TRYING to claim it for themselves indicates pretty strongly to me they are bound more to Him than It (and while we here much specualtion on it, there is really no tangible proof in, that, if someone else claimed the ring and tried to challenge Sauron, the Nazgul would come and serve them.)
But imagine if that sort of bond occured to ALL the rings more or less instantaneously, where as long as Sauron existed, anyone who had one of the lesser rings was his instant and total slave the moment they put one of them on, where the corruption of the rings was irresistable. In other worlds, where Sauron had not only the Nine Nazgul under his ethernal control, but seven great dwarf kings (since one would assume the rings would not pass down in this case, and I don't have my books with me, I'm not sure WHICH seven kings. Presumaby in this case, Sauron would see them distributed to the head of each of the Seven Houses of Dwarves, so as to have most of dwarfdom under his ultimate control.) And More imporatanty three of the most powerful Elves in ME and thier peoples; a world where Elrond, Galadriel and Cirdan were Sauron's slaves (again, I don't have my books here, so if I've screwed up who were the intial three recipients, my apologies.)

IxnaY AintsaY · 05-02-2014, 10:25 PM

I did get one ring...excuse me, one THING out of this thread I'd never realized before: Clearly Sauron made the One, the Three, the Seven, and the Nine--no more, and no less--to fit one each on his little evil fingers and evil little toesies.

Pre-Isildur, of course.

tom the eldest · 05-03-2014, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by IxnaY AintsaY

I did get one ring...excuse me, one THING out of this thread I'd never realized before: Clearly Sauron made the One, the Three, the Seven, and the Nine--no more, and no less--to fit one each on his little evil fingers and evil little toesies.

Pre-Isildur, of course.

Oh yeah,came to think of it,there is 20 rings in total.

Zigûr · 05-03-2014, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by IxnaY AintsaY

Clearly Sauron made the One, the Three, the Seven, and the Nine

Except, of course, that Sauron did not make the Three...

IxnaY AintsaY · 05-03-2014, 06:38 PM

What, you couldn't tell by "made" I really meant "made one, helped make sixteen, and didn't even get within a metric Bree-land spittin' league of three?

Anyway, let's not get mired down in technicalities, we're drawing the big connections in this thread. Ponder the ring poem for a moment...

Three Rings for the Elven-kings under the sky,
Seven for the Dwarf-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Men doomed to die,
One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne:
Not that we're counting, but that makes 20 for his dark fingers n' toes-en,
In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie,
And Twenty is a Score!

One Ring to rule them all, most likely from the right thumb,
One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
To each of their respective nineteen piglets, but don't let's nitpick.
And here's a bonus Rhyme for the poem Guys,
In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

tom the eldest · 05-03-2014, 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IxnaY AintsaY

What, you couldn't tell by "made" I really meant "made one, helped make sixteen, and didn't even get within a metric Bree-land spittin' league of three?

Anyway, let's not get mired down in technicalities, we're drawing the big connections in this thread. Ponder the ring poem for a moment...

Three Rings for the Elven-kings under the sky,
Seven for the Dwarf-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Men doomed to die,
One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne:
Not that we're counting, but that makes 20 for his dark fingers n' toes-en,
In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie,
And Twenty is a Score!

One Ring to rule them all, most likely from the right thumb,
One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
To each of their respective nineteen piglets, but don't let's nitpick.
And here's a bonus Rhyme for the poem Guys,
In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

You missed the one ring to find them all part.

Lotrelf · 05-04-2014, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Nerwen

I mean, seriously, what was the OP trying to say? I can’t work it out at all.

Thank God! I wasn't the only one who thought so.

05-02-2014, 03:34 AM	#1
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	I mean, seriously, what was the OP trying to say? I can’t work it out at all. __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.

05-02-2014, 10:27 AM	#3
Alfirin Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 435	To shift the argument the other way...... What do you think would have happened if Sauron had made NO ruling ring, or more accurately if he hadn't NEEDED to? That is, what do you think would have happend if Sauron had twisted the making of the lesser rings in such a manner that he could control all of them and thier owners DIRECTLY, without the One Ring as an intermediary? In other words, if we were in a situation where the Power of the Ring and the Power of Sauron himself the entity were not and could not be seperated in any sense, where he COULDN'T be "diminished" that way. I think in a sense, we get a little of this in the Nazgul themselves. They are tied to the one ring in the sense that they can only exist so long as it does (in a certain sense, it is powering their continued life) but the fact that Sauron has no trouble calling them back to him when he techically does not posses the one ring, and the fact that, should they ever get the one ring the would automatically bring it back to Sauron without any thought of even TRYING to claim it for themselves indicates pretty strongly to me they are bound more to Him than It (and while we here much specualtion on it, there is really no tangible proof in, that, if someone else claimed the ring and tried to challenge Sauron, the Nazgul would come and serve them.) But imagine if that sort of bond occured to ALL the rings more or less instantaneously, where as long as Sauron existed, anyone who had one of the lesser rings was his instant and total slave the moment they put one of them on, where the corruption of the rings was irresistable. In other worlds, where Sauron had not only the Nine Nazgul under his ethernal control, but seven great dwarf kings (since one would assume the rings would not pass down in this case, and I don't have my books with me, I'm not sure WHICH seven kings. Presumaby in this case, Sauron would see them distributed to the head of each of the Seven Houses of Dwarves, so as to have most of dwarfdom under his ultimate control.) And More imporatanty three of the most powerful Elves in ME and thier peoples; a world where Elrond, Galadriel and Cirdan were Sauron's slaves (again, I don't have my books here, so if I've screwed up who were the intial three recipients, my apologies.)

05-03-2014, 06:38 PM	#7
IxnaY AintsaY Haunting Spirit Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 80	What, you couldn't tell by "made" I really meant "made one, helped make sixteen, and didn't even get within a metric Bree-land spittin' league of three? Anyway, let's not get mired down in technicalities, we're drawing the big connections in this thread. Ponder the ring poem for a moment... Three Rings for the Elven-kings under the sky, Seven for the Dwarf-lords in their halls of stone, Nine for Mortal Men doomed to die, One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne: Not that we're counting, but that makes 20 for his dark fingers n' toes-en, In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie, And Twenty is a Score! One Ring to rule them all, most likely from the right thumb, One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them To each of their respective nineteen piglets, but don't let's nitpick. And here's a bonus Rhyme for the poem Guys, In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

05-02-2014, 10:25 PM	#4
IxnaY AintsaY Haunting Spirit Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 80	I did get one ring...excuse me, one THING out of this thread I'd never realized before: Clearly Sauron made the One, the Three, the Seven, and the Nine--no more, and no less--to fit one each on his little evil fingers and evil little toesies. Pre-Isildur, of course.