WW CV: They Should Make a Movie About This! (Game Thread)

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Shasta

I didn't realize the game had started! Nobody poked me .

*poke* Does it help if I poke belatedly?

Legate, enlighten me if I'm being stupid but why would the Maniac revealing mean by default getting a wolf by Day 2? What if there is no counter-reveal nor a Night-kill of the known Maniac (which the wolves would be insane to do)?

I really need to get some sleep now (just when things are getting interesting, how typical). I don't feel comfortable voting anyone at this point given how little has happened, but I'd feel even less comfortable abstaining. The only thing that's caught my eye so far is nothing but a hunch, but here it is -

Originally Posted by Sally

That was informative, yet strangely unsettling.

Something rubs me the wrong way here, maybe it's this being the only comment she makes on the whole Maniac issue in a post otherwise comprised of banter. Safely noncommittal, leaving ends open, casually concerned but not really. Flimsy reasoning for a vote, but better than nothing, so

++ Sally

Good night!

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Something rubs me the wrong way here, maybe it's this being the only comment she makes on the whole Maniac issue in a post otherwise comprised of banter. Safely noncommittal, leaving ends open, casually concerned but not really.

Not that it particularly matters, but I said it was unsettling because Dun is a disembodied voice.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Legate, enlighten me if I'm being stupid but why would the Maniac revealing mean by default getting a wolf by Day 2? What if there is no counter-reveal nor a Night-kill of the known Maniac (which the wolves would be insane to do)?

Yeah, of course, that was all under the headline of responding to Kitanna - her line was "I don't know if this guarantees us a wolf lynch on Day 2 though. Say our Maniac reveals and is not believed and lynched." - so I was referring to that. Obviously, we otherwise get "only" a known innocent. Which, right - I am pondering that in my post just above this one - it's a question which is better. Might be that actually the tactical advantage of threatening the WWs during their Night-planning outweighs the advantage of known innocent. So maybe we should after all leave the subject alone. In any case, if not now, what I said certainly holds value for the future.

Now to think about who to vote, though, and all that...

EDIT: x-ed with Nogrod

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Might be that actually the tactical advantage of threatening the WWs during their Night-planning outweighs the advantage of known innocent. So maybe we should after all leave the subject alone. In any case, if not now, what I said certainly holds value for the future.

I do agree.

And also, there clearly is a limit when the revelation becomes obsolete aka we can no longer afford it.

BUt the biggest question I think is the one between whether to have a known innocent (that one becoming stornger and stronger asset every Day) or to keep up the threat and possibly kiil a wolf (chances getting betgter ev ery Night).

But yeah. I'm up to some other issues before going to sleep as well...

[Nogrod]

Before this discussion about the maniac really bursted out I was reading the first posts to see whether there was anythnig of note.

Well there wasn't anything you'd make a vote on with any confidence - or even to help you decide on a more or less "pray it goes well" choice...

But there is a thing I noticed I'd yet bring up as being better than nothing.

Now Lottie starts the Day with a kind of pre-emption underlining how she never gets through D1. Kitanna does more or less the same in her first post ("Woe is me!") - and Legate opens his Day by making an in character disclaimer that everyone knows how he hates the films.

All of those reports are true (I'm not sure how often Kit actually gets killed on D1 but I do have a feeling it has happened a couple of times) and they could be taken as just kind of sarcastic opening when there is little else to say - and with Legate as a justified IC-banter.

Nevertheless it caught my eye as none else made that kind of opening defences.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

And also, there clearly is a limit when the revelation becomes obsolete aka we can no longer afford it.

BUt the biggest question I think is the one between whether to have a known innocent (that one becoming stornger and stronger asset every Day) or to keep up the threat and possibly kiil a wolf (chances getting betgter ev ery Night).

Yep, essentially, I think there would be some ideal "breaking point" when it would be a bit late for that. But of course again, depends on the situation - amount of remaining Wolves, Gifteds or even known innocents and so on.

But now I really am starting to feel sleepy and it's getting late... so... should vote. Problem is, not very many people actually said much of substance and those who did spoke mostly sensibly, so what to make of it? Blind shot is really NOT a good option here. Whereas I shared Greenie's concern about Sally - I had exactly the same gut feeling about that post, but the problem was that it was exactly only a gut feeling - that is not enough for me. I was even contempating about pulling a Nerwen (meaning, not voting), but then no - especially with such stakes and elements (Maniac...) that's giving too much power to other hands and, well, just irresponsible. Ah well. Hope I at least x-posted with something interesting. Otherwise I'll probably have to cast my vote for someone who out of those who posted little substance (about half the people) posted significantly less substance than what one would expect they could, or somesuch, if there would be such person...

EDIT: x-ed with Sally and Nogrod

[Nogrod]

Twelve people in the "village", three of them moviephiles.

One innocent lynch toDay and one succesful kill for the wolves during the Night would leave us with 10 players at 7-3. Another such D-N cycle would result in 5-3.

It is a small game. That means: if we get it wrong one or two times out gifteds need to really do some excellent work for us to prevail.

And there is so little to go on.

A list for your / my convenience is here (to be on this page and near to be referred to).

Nerwen
Sally
Coppermirror
Loslote
Kitanna
Lommy
Legate
Nogrod
Shasta
Greenie
Kath
Boro

I need to vote soon. Any sparks on any issue or direction would be truly helpful...

[Thinlómien]

I need to vote soon too, and I would be mostly going by gut-feeling this early. I might follow Greenie's vote on Sally (I seem to have noticed that Sally has this "friendly and reasonable" vibe whenever she's guilty and there's a bit of that now), or Nerwen, who also just seems a bit wrong somehow, like detached. But seriously I have no idea. The ones I atm think that are innocent are Kitanna and Greenie, again gut-feeling or tone of posts mostly.

edit: xed with Kit&Cop

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

A short list in an attempt to find who to vote.

Nerwen - actually, even though she did not say much, looks like she at least tried. Would not have reason to lynch her, and no reason to suspect her of inactivity.
Sally - likewise, and actually especially later posts also logically. Not really reason to vote her.
Coppermirror - nothing much. Could vote based on inactivity.
Loslote - nothing much. Same case as above, really.
Kitanna - some mis-thoughts, but that's about it, can't really be blamed for that. Otherwise nothing much.
Lommy - also, stirred quite a discussion, I don't have a reason to believe it wasn't with good interest, so not a lynch subject
Legate - is me.
Nogrod - posting, thinking, fine, could be a Wolf as much as anyone else, but not really a reason to cast a vote for him.
Shasta - so where is he... appears, disappears, so like, what?
Greenie - thinking and posting. Had to vote early, there is something creepy about her, but then again maybe it's just her. (You're welcome.)
Kath - that was the most unsubstantional one-liner (okay, two-liner) I have seen in a while, I wonder if there's a reason to believe she'll come back.
Boro - yeah, thoughts, decent. Also something slightly off about his posting, but again, gut-feeling, nothing more.

So, all in all, I don't want to vote for any of those who posted toDay and said something. I could at most vote Greenie or Boro based on slightly off gut-feeling. Or then Cop, Lottie, or theoretically Kath or Shasta based on inactivity, resp. activity essentially going to zero - but of course I understand there wasn't very much to talk about (in the case of the first two, there definitely wasn't yet, in the case of the latter two, I'd have expected them to post a bit more, but still). In fact, probably Shasta would get the worst out of that. But that's simply based on the criteria of evaluating how much who posted, nothing more. It isn't like I have any better criteria. Unless I really go with gut-feelings and such. Bah.

EDIT: ha, x-ed since my last, I see some of the people from the start are back...

[Nogrod]

Lottie, Kath, Shasta - one post each with no content at all from all of them. Kath makes a sensible sentence concerning the role of the maniac but the other two do basically nothing (Lottie posts as one of the first but Shasta relatively late on the game - which doesn't mean he couldn't have been in a hurry). But none of them promises anythning - like coming back sometime... Kath probably isn't as it is quite late there as well (prove me wrong Kath!).

Boro - Three posts instead of one but nothing more than the above three - except his rather good point on the maniac (even if his interpretation of the role is a bit odd).

Coppermirror - Belongs more or less to the same club, but seeing now that I am, that she's making a list I'd like to see it first as if whether there is a contribution there - unless it takes on long time to get ready and I need to go to sleep.

The Finnish department: Lommy, Greenie and Legate (yeah, him too in this "Finnish -camp") have been active and thoughtful and therefore are assets to us whatever they are as they make the game by providing ideas and discussion.

That leaves Nerwen, Kitanna and Sally who have all been in a way suspicious (not strongly but a little) but also been reasonable enough to backtrack on their error (Kit & Sally) or at least tried when there was nothin g going on (Nerwen).

Hmm... not easy to choose a pick I'd trust would be right.


EDIT: X'd with a couple last ones - partly doing away with the points expressed in this post...

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

That leaves Nerwen, Kitanna and Sally who have all been in a way suspicious (not strongly but a little) but also been reasonable enough to backtrack on their error (Kit & Sally) or at least tried when there was nothin g going on (Nerwen).

Oh... that didn't mean these three are going to be my choices...

"That left" those three to say something about. It might be one of the three - or then one of the non-contributers I'd vote toDay (the problem with the latter is that voting early you can't say who is going to end up a non-contributer - but on the other side of the coin: you can't just not-vote someone because s/he is going to (or could) post after you).

A dilemma (trilemma, quadrilemma, quintilemma...), as D1's always are,

[Boromir88]

Apologies for the no quotes or bolding, I'm currently on my phone and caught up through reading page 1. I should be back to my computer within an hour or so...

My original interpretation about the maniac was more based on the title "maniac" I think unpredictable nutter. And then the powers sounded like the maniac just got revenge on whatever side wronged him/her. With the unknown allegiance I thought we should be on the lookout for wolves playing a bit of a random cobbler to look like the maniac and avoid lynching.

However, with the professor's clarification that the maniac is on our side. I wouldn't especially worry about wolves acting/fake revealing as the maniac.

And no to Lommy's idea that the maniac reveals...the role is best as an unknown to everyone because then is the best chance a wolf gets taken down if they target him/her. I don't know what pack would try to take down a revealed maniac, knowing one of them would die for certainty.