WW CV: They Should Make a Movie About This! (Game Thread)

[Boromir88]

Nogrod: Probably the strangest reasoned vote yesterday...that is I'm scratching my head wondering where he got the self-defense/martyr vibe from Kitanna. It doesn't appear he'll be back before I have to go, so it's not strong enough to vote for Nogrod today, particularly since I think there are more suspicious votes yesterday. He's on my radar though, until I see more and get an explanation.

Lottie: For reasons mentioned earlier, and I agree with sally the vote for Legate looks forced. By that I mean I agree that it looks as if Lottie doesn't care about the outcome. Sally seems to think Lottie made the vote to steer attention away from someone who already had votes...I don't see who that could be though, because sally would be playing quite the bold wolf if she pointed this out last night about wolf-mate Lottie's vote, while sally was also in the lead at that point. She would have no reason to protect me, unless she's trying to just set me up as one of her mates. So, then maybe Kit? With Kit getting a few suspicions based on the maniac mix-up it's possible Lottie would try to get attention away from people voting Kit and push up Legate for all of his lengthy analysis about complicated scenarios.

Whether it's that, or in my opinion, looking like she put another innocent name on the list and didn't have a care who ended up being lynched yesterday...because none of them were a wolf. Either way, it's a safe and suspicious vote.

Nerwen: Pretty much the same reasons as Lottie's vote, in that her vote created the tie between Sally, Legate, and Kit. I agree with Lommy's point today that is rather bold if Nerwen and sally are mates. So, she's not trying to protect a mate (she voted Kit, Legate is innocent, and it's a stretch to see her and sally as mates).

Kit:. I'm even more rushed now than I thought, so I will just refer to my previous post asking if what she said in her reasons voting Legate accurate. It warrants further watching but not going to vote for Kit today if I don't know and likely won't be able to read her response.

++Lottie

I have to go all on the vote yesterday...and I have to go now. Lottie's vote looked the worst yesterday.

[Kitanna]

I have to get to work soon so I am looking only at vote posts/reason posts ('cause they're not always in the same post) for the moment. I'll have more time while on break at work to dig deeper though.

Greenie: Votes Sally for basically D1, vague feelings. With Greenie now gone was she targeted because she voted for Sally? Or because she hadn't really laid down any suspicions for anyone else?

Legate: Votes Boro because something was off about him, and because

and this way I am at least making a vote for someone who (I presume) would be still around and can make a case for himself if it became relevant (unlike if I voted for Greenie or probably Kath).

So giving Boro a chance to redeem himself.

Lommy: Votes Sally which if I remember correctly she had the same vague reasoning of "feels off" that Greenie had. So if the wolves attacked Greenie because she left very little trail with her reasonings, the same could be said of Lommy. So why Greenie and not Lommy?

Nog: Votes me because of of self-defense and for not throwing out suspicions. Though I hadn't throws out suspicions at the time, there were others in the same boat. Also said because I was there but not contributing. I was on and off all day, but didn't really have time for a lengthy post until about an hour and a half before the end of day.

Boro: Votes Lommy for reasons not really stated in the post. I went back a few and it looks like his main point against her was the Maniac reveal suggestion.

Comes off trying to divert the topic to gifteds revealing which is rarely ever good.

Lottie: Votes Legate for vague feelings of wrongess. Had she mentioned him prior as a suspect?

Cop: Votes Legate for reasons stated in a previous post, but in Post #74 he doesn't really say much other than he liked some of Legate's Maniac reveal reasonings and didn't like the rest.

Nerwen: Votes me for my misinterpretation of the Maniac role. Puts it down as a possible attempt for a wolf to bring over the Maniac to their side.

Me: I vote Legate because of his vague suspicions of Sally, but then for turning around and voting for Boro.

Sally: Votes Legate because obviously she's not going to vote herself and finds Legate more suspicious.

Legate remains a mystery as always, but I must say I feel he has overanalyzed the maniac more than others, and his contributions about the topic strike my gut as forced somehow.

And then there is Lottie's vote for Legate, which also seems forced, like she needed to direct the lynch away from the existing candidates (not that I should be complaining). I understand the dissatisfaction that comes with seeing your Day 1 lynching options, but this did not seem like classic indecisive Lottie.

She could have had a case for Lottie too, but maybe didn't want to throw her vote away and voted Legate instead. Just looking at the times I'm pretty sure Sally cross-posted with me.

I think that's all the votes from D1.

Mildly suspicious of: Sally, Lommy, and Cop based on their votes. I'm going to check out their posts to get a better idea of how I feel about them.

Edit: forgot to put Lottie on my suspicious list.

[Nerwen]

Regarding Greenie: yes, if Sally is a wolf then Greenie's vote would have looked alarmingly Seerish- but we cannot, at this point, assume that was the case. To say "wolves always try to get the Seer" is an over-simplification- it's generally the priority, of course, but not always, and often the baddies don't have much to go on early in the game.

I will also say that I don't care for the way certain players are building their suspicions toDay. Boro (#100) seems to be saying he thinks wolf-me was trying to save Sallywolf (echoing Lommy at #99) and suspects me enough to consider voting me. Then at #104 he doesn't think Greenie was killed for looking Seerish anyway but apparently still continues to suspect me for some reason, while rather suddenly switching his vote to Lottie... Maybe I'm taking this too personally! but I really don't like it.

Edit: x'd with Kit.

[Nogrod]

Uh... Even if I did have some suspicions of Legate on D1 as well, it's sad to see him as a dead ordo as we could have had use for his mind.

About Greenie's death: without any closer scrutiny to the particulars of it, I'd remind people again (like someone did already) that the seer is the kind of "obsessive" default-target for the wolves on all times - and only if they have no clue whatsoever can they settle on a "no trail" -kill. And even going for a "trailless kill" they most probably try to sense some seerish vibes, even if very weak... So I'm going to check that possibility myself as well, later on the Day.

Also a funny / interesting note: Kitanna was concerned about the three people suspicious of Sally aka. Legate, Greenie, and Lommy. Now two of those are dead and they were ordos... Funny fact, but also makes Sally look pretty suspicious.


And by way of shortish explanation as both Kit and Boro have questioned it. I noticed that there were three people who started their posting / banter with something you might call pre-emptive self defence. It could be innocent as well, of course, but as D1's go you have to pick even every straw you can.

So when Lottie says "I'm always lynched on D1, please don't be so cruel as to do it again" (paraphrasing surely is mine), she is both reciting a fact but also laying an emotional claim on all the other players by reminding us of that fact - to not vote for her if there is a hard choice between several candidates with no better reasons (which is probable on D1).

Kitanna did more or less the same thing - even if I do have to stand corrected that she did it as a reply to Lommy's fun-scenario - but the kind of "Woe me! Not me an innocent victim again!" (paraphrasing partly mine) reaction surely is having the same effect aka. bringing an emotional level of pressure not to vote her in a case of evenish non-reasons to anyone in particular.

Now that is something a wolf would love to do - and surely, an innocent might do it as well. But it's just that some people do it and others don't. And it did catch my eye - even if it's not a big thing. A D1 piece in pile of other D1 little things you have to orient yourself with.

Legate started a bit differently, but underlining his innocence by way of banter anyway in his very first post. He turned out innocent so enough of that.


At the moment I'm more or less confused about different possibilities but will come back in the evening and try to contribute more.

EDIT: X'd with Kitanna

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Regarding Greenie: yes, if Sally is a wolf then Greenie's vote would have looked alarmingly Seerish- but we cannot, at this point, assume that was the case. To say "wolves always try to get the Seer" is an over-simplification- it's generally the priority, of course, but not always, and often the baddies don't have much to go on early in the game.

I had somehow skipped this post... compare to what I said in my last post (and these are relatively close to one another).

The only thing that stops me from suggesting that Nerwen is here trying to save her fellow-wolf Sally is that it would be pretty bold to try it that openly...

It is true the baddies don't always (or even usually) have much to go on early in the game, but it doesn't change the fact that they need to consider every hint however small to get the seer (and it depends then on how much time they have to make an effort to find any).

There are two totally different games for the wolves: one where there is a seer and one where there is not. In the first they can be caught by chance how witty or crafty they are, on the latter they can roam freely and it's up to their skill to win. It's a no-brainer they prefer the latter...

[Nogrod]

I though I would only come back to this game later but then got curious about Greenie's posts enough to check them before leaving this for a while...

Originally Posted by Greenie

Sally also mostly banters this far, and calls Inzil's rules clarification "informative, yet strangely unsettling". Something there?

Now that is something that stands apart from Greenie's first post which has comments on all the players. Now the formula of making a list on the very first post is among other things a seerish thing to do: if I'm dead the next Day you can go back to my first post and find my dream from there.

Clearly Greenie wasn't the seer, but that first post alone might have alarmed the wolves if Sally is a wolf. And well, she also voted Sally...

Although, her vote comes with a lot of second-guessing:

Originally Posted by Greenie

I don't feel comfortable voting anyone at this point given how little has happened, but I'd feel even less comfortable abstaining. The only thing that's caught my eye so far is nothing but a hunch, but here it is - [add Sally's quote "informative, yet strangely unsettling"] - Something rubs me the wrong way here, maybe it's this being the only comment she makes on the whole Maniac issue in a post otherwise comprised of banter. Safely noncommittal, leaving ends open, casually concerned but not really. Flimsy reasoning for a vote, but better than nothing

So if Sally is a wolf they are pretty nervous - and so even the way Greenie framed her vote in all this "don't feel comfortable" and "flimsy reasoning for a vote, but better than nothing" has been interpreted by them as a seer trying to cover her knowledge.

Hmm... this actually leaves me more baffled I was before I checked into this. Is Sally a wolf and they thought that Greenie overdid the backtracking of her own "revelation" on post 1 in the vote-post, or are the wolves trying to frame Sally for our second lynch, or was Greenie - and all others - so far from the wolves that none stood up for them to be even a scantly possible seer and they just took her by random?

I don't see the third one as an option. But trying to kill the seer or framing a possible D2 lynch?

I mean, if we miss it toDay and the wolves manage their kill on the Night to come it will be 5-3 toMorrow - and then it will be more or less win-or-lose with a strong voting block of three votes on one side knowing how to co-operate (it would actually take only one innocent's wrong vote for them to bring home the spoils?)...

So framing is also a possibility.

[Kitanna]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Although, her vote comes with a lot of second-guessing: So if Sally is a wolf they are pretty nervous - and so even the way Greenie framed her vote in all this "don't feel comfortable" and "flimsy reasoning for a vote, but better than nothing" has been interpreted by them as a seer trying to cover her knowledge.

Hmm... this actually leaves me more baffled I was before I checked into this. Is Sally a wolf and they thought that Greenie overdid the backtracking of her own "revelation" on post 1 in the vote-post, or are the wolves trying to frame Sally for our second lynch, or was Greenie - and all others - so far from the wolves that none stood up for them to be even a scantly possible seer and they just took her by random?

I don't see the third one as an option. But trying to kill the seer or framing a possible D2 lynch?

It was thrown out there (by Greenie I think) that the maniac might act seerish to draw a night attack. So it is possible Greenie was just a random innocent pick who hadn't pegged them and they didn't want to risk a maniac playing as seer? Seems unlikely, but not outside the realm of possibilities.

Let's say two villagers pegged two of the wolves yesterday in their posts and voted for them. The wolves are left wondering, is one a maniac? Is one a seer? Is it just dumb luck? Obviously it's in their best interest to try to nab the seer before that person can reveal. However, if they think the maniac could be masquerading by dropping "seer" hints and just got lucky they'd be more hesitant on attacking that person. This is a stretch, a big one, because it relies on the wolves playing a "wait and see what happens" game, which could end up being pretty reckless of them if they think they have the seer.

If it was the case, it could mean Greenie really was just a random innocent. Unlikely, but not impossible.

There's also a few players who haven't really talked, who would have been good trail less kills if they went for random innocent rather than seerish. Which makes me think maybe it was a frame job?

[Thinlómien]

If Sally, Kitanna and Nerwen are the wolves I'm likely to die of laughter. Seriously, what is this trio and their interactions? And why do they keep popping up in people's top suspects? Like, maybe even too much for them to be actually guilty, or then they are the most transparent wolf pack ever. Hmm, whatever the case, I do believe at least one of them is guilty, maybe even two.