WW CV: They Should Make a Movie About This! (Game Thread)

[Nerwen]

Lottie, Day One

#7. Banter.


#64. Opposes Lommy's suggestion that the Maniac reveal. Finds Greenie's vote “more innocent than not”. Lommy also seems innocent, Legate seems a little suspicious “for no real reason”. Nog seems “mostly fine”. Joking requests that some say something incriminating.


#79. Vote-post (Legate 1)

Originally Posted by Lottie

I'm really not thrilled with any of the options so far. I've still got a bad feeling about Legate, but I don't have anything concrete, and I'm not completely comfortable voting for him. I'd be more comfortable with him than with the other three on the table, though, so...

++Legate

Comments: The wording of that vote-post could well have looked like a Seer making sure no-one would think she had actually dreamed the person she voted. Only… apparently not, since the wolves killed Greenie instead.

Nothing much there otherwise– she only mentioned one still-living person (Lommy), and only in passing.


Lottie, Day Two

#103. Doubts the wolves thought Greenie was the Seer (theory already put forward by Coppermirror at #97 and Lommy at #98); believes she was instead chosen as a safe kill.


#134. Flags Kath's vote-post/suspicion list at #128.

Originally Posted by Lottie

So this caught my eye as being...off. I don't know Kath's playing style very well, but this post of hers came off as being at once flippant - "they are both clearly self preservation votes", "I rather feel lynching sally or Kitanna would give more information" - and, at the same time, almost grasping at suspicions. For one thing, her suspicions about Kit and Sally are flimsy at best, but she phrases them as though they're simple and clean-cut and obvious. She mentions Nog, Nerwen, and Lommy, but doesn't actually say anything about them - basically a "I thought they might be suspicious but I don't know" kind of statement that doesn't do anyone much good. I'm not at all happy with this vote, and Kath has definitely jumped to the top of my list.

#138. Makes a list.

Originally Posted by Lottie

Suspicious About
Kath - I've mentioned my problems with her vote earlier.
Coppermirror - Hasn't posted all that much, but what he has posted has been really non-committal. He voted Sally just because of Greenie's death, which could have been a wolf planning for an easy frame and not expecting the village to pass up the lure.

Unsure About
Nogrod - I don't necessarily suspect him, because he hasn't done anything suspicious, but I definitely don't trust him either.
Boro - He doesn't seem like normal Boro to me, but that might even be a sign of his innocence - he's normally a much more subtle wolf.
Nerwen - I haven't got a real read on her yet, but she certainly hasn't done anything to make me suspicious.
Shasta - I don't have a read on him. Hopefully his schedule will allow for more psychicing toMorrow!
Sally - I feel better about her than not, but I'm not willing to move her down a level just yet.

Feeling Pretty Decent About
Kitanna - I know she's been under some suspicion thus far, but I don't see the reason for it. She looks pretty good to me.
Lommy - She's looked innocent since Day One, which should maybe be worrying, but I'm comfortable with her for now.

Comment: Could this have been taken as a Seer’s list? It might point to either Kitanna and Lommy as innocent, or Kath and Coppermirror as wolves.

After this, she becomes very active in the “Seer-Greenie” debate.


#145.

Originally Posted by Lottie

Originally Posted by Kitanna
You must think me a mighty foolish wolf to so blatantly defend Sally as a packmate.

I don't know if Sally is actually guilty, but I know I'm not. And I don't think Sally is a foolish enough wolf to night kill someone who leads to clearly to her. So I'm not sold on her being guilty right now.
Yes. Yes, that exactly. Everyone keeps insisting that Greenie was a Seer kill, and I don't buy it at all. If she was a Seer kill, it was a dumb move on the wolves' part - if she was a Seer kill, then the wolf would have to be Sally, and we all know that. It's obvious. It would be the most obvious Night kill a wolf could make, and I do not think Sally would have done it. You know what it could have been? An easy frame. I mentioned Cop earlier as potentially having killed Greenie during the Night with the intention of using that death to frame Sally earlier - it looks like that argument could apply to Nog and maybe even Lommy as well.

#146. Emphatically disagrees with Nogrod (who at #147 suggests the kill implicates Sally

Originally Posted by Lottie

Why would the wolves have thought she was a Seer at all? She didn't talk like a Seer. If anything, if she were a Seer, I'd read her vote post as saying in giant neon letters, "I DIDN'T DREAM SALLY THIS IS NOT A DREAM”:

[Quotes Greenie]

"Nothing but a hunch" "I don't feel comfortable voting, but I'd feel less comfortable abstaining" "Flimsy reasoning for a vote, but better than nothing" These are not the things a Seer would say if she had dreamed a wolf. These are things a Seer would say if she wanted to make sure, if she died overNight, no one would think she'd dreamed this person. I in no way find this adequate reason to kill Sally.

#151. (Replying to Nog at #149, #112.)

Originally Posted by Lottie

Making a list is Seerish? Enough to get her killed? I don't think so. Anyway, if she were making a Seer List Post, I think she'd have committed more than just "Something there?". Something there says to me, "That caught my eye. Better watch her" not "SHE'S A WOLF I DReAMED IT". And a Seer trying to cover her knowledge? Right. So what you're saying is, "I know it doesn't look like she looked like a Seer but the wolves thought she was a Seer BECAUSE she didn't look like a Seer you know what I'm saying" and I really do think you're trying to frame Sally at this point, because this is just too weak an argument, especially from you. So...

++Nog

#152. Makes a tally.

And that’s it. Self-evidently, she was wrong about Nogrod. But could she have been right about Sally– i.e. could her heated defence of Sally have been taken as evidence that she’d dreamed her (innocent)? Or were we meant to think that (and something on the list is the real reason)?

EDIT:formatting.

[satansaloser2005]

I'm on my way to work for the day. I haven't had a chance to read a thing, but I'll do so when I return four hours or so before the DL. *poofs*

[Boromir88]

It's going to be another one of those days where I have to vote early...although not as early as the last day.

Thoughts are...I believe Kit's reveal. It's a must to get a wolf today but at least there's still all 3 gifteds to work and I think at this point in the game it is best to have a revealed maniac. It's not ideal but best when we need to get a wolf today.

[Thinlómien]

Before anybody votes (and since I don't know when I will be online toDay), I guess I'm obliged to step in.

I'm the seer.

Nerwen is a wolf.

Shasta is innocent.

Kitanna is indeed the maniac.

If you want clues, go back to my very first post. The very first thing I say is "first things first". I have been following that rule and started every Day by mentioning first the person I just dreamt of (Nerwen on Night1, Shasta on Night2 and Kitanna last Night). I even applied this to my list post yeterDay because I was afraid I was being too vague.

[Thinlómien]

Oh, and, not voting yet in case something unexpected happens (remember guys, the last one to get the most votes dies if there's a tie).

[Kitanna]

I'm the seer.

Nerwen is a wolf.

Shasta is innocent.

Kitanna is indeed the maniac.

I was beginning to wonder if you might be the seer because you voted Sally two days in a row and I don't know why a wolf would do that. But you say Nerwen is a wolf, you have put her on all your suspect lists. So either you're trying to fool us or you didn't want the wolves to figure you out right away. Both are logical explanations for not voting Nerwen. I'm going to look over your posts before work to see if I trust your claim. I want to believe because it means you can remove doubt about me.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Kitanna

I was beginning to wonder if you might be the seer because you voted Sally two days in a row and I don't know why a wolf would do that. But you say Nerwen is a wolf, you have put her on all your suspect lists. So either you're trying to fool us or you didn't want the wolves to figure you out right away. Both are logical explanations for not voting Nerwen. I'm going to look over your posts before work to see if I trust your claim. I want to believe because it means you can remove doubt about me.

If Sally is actually innocent, I'm probably going to die laughing. I simply thought she looks a lot like a wolf, and I didn't want to draw attention to myself by voting Nerwen on Day1. I also preferred multi-tasking ie. going after different people at Day and Night, so I didn't check Sally on Night2 but instead Shasta. Last Night my choice was between Sally and you, and I thought knowing your role would have been more helpful. Turns out it was the other way around. That being said, I'm not actually so suspicious of Sally anymore. I will need to look at Nerwen's interactions with people later toDay.

[Boromir88]

See as grim as it started there's always payoff when the gifteds aren't lynched and can stay off the wolves radar.

I wish I would have voted for Nerwolf yesterday, but I was only able to base my suspicions off iffy or bad Day 1 votes. Not that it would have made a difference, based on how things went yesterday. My previous post was the first chance I had to get back to the thread since my Day 2 vote. So, I really have no idea who voted for who nor how Nog got lynched.

Just glad we can still manage a win, even though it's unfortunate you, Lommy, had to reveal to give us a wolf and get us to stop lynching eachother.

[Kitanna]

I have twenty minutes before work starts and I'm going to use that time to throw out some theories since I can't reread the thread as I planned.

Sally
I find it funny my opinion of Sally is based entirely on what others have said and how they've interacted with her. Sounds like she's pretty busy with RL so her contribution hasn't been much and both her votes have been self-preservation which is something an innocent and a wolf would do, so it's hard to get much from that.

So with Sally I feel 90-10 about her guilt. Lottie made a point yesterday about Greenie not really dropping hints in her posts, or at least not concrete hints. To me Greenie's death looked like a frame job to set up Sally. She'd already fallen under some suspicion and if her first voter died, she would look very bad indeed. Also I agree with Nerwen about Lottie's death being because she looked seerish, which makes Sally look very good. There's also Lommy's claim, if she is to be believed, if Sally was a wolf I feel that Lommy would have been killed. Hence the 90% she could well be innocent.
The 10% of doubt comes from Greenie's death and the chance it could have been a risk the wolves took and agreed to make Sally a sacrifice. If Greenie was the seer Sally would surely have been lynched yesterday and if she died an ordo (as she did) some would think Sally was framed and some would think Greenie was targeted for voting Sally. Which is how yesterday played out and Sally saved her skin by voting Nog, which again, any player would do. However, Lottie's death makes no sense in this scenario, given how Lottie defended Sally.

Lommy
As for Lommy. It makes sense she would want to fly under the radar as a seer. Drop a few unspecific hints and vote elsewhere. Her posts/hints need to be looked at, so when my break rolls around I'll take a look. I am surprised she voted Sally both days though. I see her logic (once again flying under the wolf radar), but I can't remember her reasoning yesterday for voting Sally. I know on D1 she said she didn't want to spread the votes out too much and I believe yesterday she was on the same page as Nog with suspects, which is probably why she voted Sally again. So she votes Sally twice, which to the wolves would look like a misguided innocent. But if she is a wolf she could be trying to throw a packmate under the bus to look good or she's trying to destroy an innocent who has garnered a lot of attention. The wolf scenario seems unlikely, seems a bit risky for a D1 vote, less so on D2 though.