WW CVI: Tol-in-Westeros Game Thread

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Coppermirror

I think I'm going to vote Eomer. My reasons for this are:
- Mostly his general tone and posting style yesterDay. It came over as reserved and opaque to me, and the sort of thing a lion might go in for.
- His vote placement. It was placed in a way where it couldn't have any real meaning for the outcome.

++Eomer

I could see the placement of his vote as something a Lion would do, but I do think it would have been more desirable for one to have placed a bandwagon vote in the middle.

What were the throwaway votes? As in, people voting seemingly at random (maybe trying to avoid a bandwagon to look better)?

x/d with Enca

[Nogrod]

Okay. Here and reading.

Instead of making a mega-post later, I'm trying to post in bits and pieces what posts made after my last one give rise to. The downside of course is that some of the issues might have been discussed at length already but I just haven't gotten there yet, but still I think a bit shorter posts make reading much lighter...


So I'm turning towards the belief that the lions were not after the seer last Night. But what Rikae said is kind of a nice possibility beside a more common no-trace or false-trace kill.

Originally Posted by Rikae

Funny thought - perhaps the bear tried to kill a lion, and the lions tried to kill the bear?

We should think about that.

What Volo said actually sounds possible: maybe G55's style (on top of things but yet a bit odd) yelled "a role"(!) to the lions? Like they lost nothing by going after her as it would be nice both ways whether she'd be a gifted or a lover? That sounds actually pretty reasonable.

Originally Posted by Rikae

I really have a feeling the Lannisters are sitting in the corner right now and enjoying the show.

I do get this vivid picture of Tywin Lannister watching as others do his bloody work...

While on SOIAF-ground I just have to add Nerwen on Wilwa's death:

Originally Posted by Nerwen

No idea, really– she was killed by the Bear, whose motivations are hard to guess at this point.

No! The Bear killed a Mormont! A rival! You know how jealous lovers can be, they can stand no competition...

[Loslote]

I should have more time to post toDay than I did yesterDay, but I am still posting from work, so it might be sporadic.

I noticed yesterDay that Zil's posts were cautious and non-confrontational, and that hasn't changed toDay. On top of that, he was right in the middle of the skip bandwagon, which, if there is a lion in that bandwagon (and I'd be surprised if there wasn't), that's probably the most likely place to find it.

Then, looking through the votes yesterDay, I noticed something else interesting. After Mac made his famous "the numbers may be on your side" comment, he accumulated a couple of votes. He still wasn't the top candidate by any means, but he had to leave right as he got his second vote, and there were enough people left that the lynch could easily have swung in his favor while he was gone. If Mac were a lion who had made a legitimate slip, he could well have felt that he was in real danger of being lynched - but he doesn't vote the leading candidate at the time. Instead, he gives a second vote to Zil, who was not really in danger of being lynched, which makes Mac's vote essentially a throw-away, which is not what you would expect if a lion feels himself threatened. However, if Mac had died, Zil would have looked pretty good because of that vote, which makes me suspect that, if Mac is a lion, Zil is likely one of his packmates.

I don't know that it works the other way, though - that is, if Zil turns out to be a lion, I don't think we can say anything concrete about Mac. The other issue is that I don't know Mac's playing style very well. I am suspicious of him, but my suspicion comes more from the fact that a lot of little things point to him being evil than any one big tip-off. His vote yesterDay is, as I have already said, odd, but it doesn't prove anything. His posts seem a little nervous to me, but I don't know his playing style very well, so I can't put much stock in that. G55 suspected him and might have been killed for looking like a seer, but that's a loose connection and I don't know how far we can trust that. His interactions with Wytherkins strike me as hugely concerning, since he's basically poking a newbie player until he jumps, then saying "oh, he jumped, he must be evil!" when, realistically, I would expect a first-time player to be a little defensive, and honestly, Wythy D. has been more composed than I would have expected in regards to Mac's poking.

All that to say, I think Zil and Mac look the most suspicious toDay, and I'll try to look into them a bit more if I have the time.

Pre-edit: I've probably xed, because this took me a while to write, so...preemptively xed since Zil's #233.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Loslote

if Mac is a lion, Zil is likely one of his packmates.

I knew it! I knew they were packmates, and then I second guessed it! By yesterDay, I'd pretty much decided Zil was innocent after all. Great job catching our last lion, Team Bear!

This was probably the most fun I've had with a werewolf game in ages, so thanks, Agan and Kath - excellent job!

Good game, everyone!

[Aganzir]

Also - pretty much all the people in the first narration are random (with the exception of the tanned man who is very clearly Boro), but I think after the roles turned out as they did, it's obvious the two yellow-haired musicians are Encai and Greenie. We are expecting their rendition of The Bear and the Maiden Fair shortly.

[Galadriel55]

YES!!! Go village!

Highlights: pretty much what Agan and Kath have already said. I especialy love and agree with the double-wolf wagons and Nog thinking everyone is a lover.

Speaking of which, I never thought this would ever be said about me:

Originally Posted by Nog

I've played with her a few times before and especially her very self-confident, almost leadership-like posting was new to me at least - and I actually realised it only now as I went through her posts again - I guess I concentrated more on the other half of her act yesterDay more... So if the lions were not going after her having spotted one of them (Volo? Mac maybe less believably?), then it could have been her swag and some odd-points together that killed her: too self-assured and knoweldgeable (or putting too much effort) not to be an ordo and odd enough to try and raise some suspicion as to not be the "one everyone trusts and therefore to be done with"?

Swag? I have swag? I have swag? I have a verbal limp most of the time. ^.^

My Day2 thought of the Day: it's nice to be one of the centres of attention. See, if attention was an ellipse, I would be at one of the centres and wilwa at the other. Pity we're both innocently dead.

Dear Moddesses, that was amazing! The narrations were hilarious, and the game concept was really cool! It was a shame Eomer didn't get to use his role and there wasn't more cool lover stuff. (It did serve for excellent Day1 discussion, though, you must admit. ) Good job lovers for getting the last wolf, and congrats village for figuring out pretty much all three wolves without a seer in such a big and role-filled village!

PS: Second/third/n-th whoever said that the goodbye pictures on the Admin thread were awesome! They really are! (kudos to wilwa for starting the trend!)

PPS: wilwa, who was your first dream?

Great game everyone!!! I enjoyed it despite my early death. Well, seeing as I was Night-killed and not lynched, I suppose it should be an honor to take one for the Seer, but seeing as the Seer is my death-buddy, not so much anymore...

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by G55

Nog thinking everyone is a lover.

All you need is love = Love is all you need!

Originally Posted by G55

Swag? I have swag? I have swag? I have a verbal limp most of the time. ^.^

I think the lions admitted they had no idea who the seer was but were looking after her/him, and they chose you because of your... what? "Aura", "Assertiveness", "Confidence"... "Swag"?

Originally Posted by Wyth

I was pretty much torn up the entire time, and constantly double-guessing myself, but I am pretty proud that I had ended up voting for lions on 3 out of my 4 votes. Funnily enough, the only time I was actually on the lynching side was the innocent Kit! I felt so guilty afterwards too!

That was an exceptionally cool first game showing! And I can tell you that after something like 50 games (or something as ridiculous) I'm still constantly double-guessing myself, getting assured of wrong choices and feeling guilty not managing to make the right decisions... but also every now and again totally enjoying getting it right as well! That's the game - and the fun of it: such a rollercoaster-ride...


Oh, and I think there are two people who have really earned some extra kudos: Greenie and Eönwë were so spot on like everytime! It's hard to surpass that. Cool spotting and unwavering determination!

[Macalaure]

It was good to be back, even though things didn't exactly go as planned. I was too all-over-the-place, I guess. Bad wolf.

But most of all I regret not being able to use this.

About that "slip" of mine, that happened exactly the way I described it on Day 2. Very unfortunate. I can tell you I muttered some choice words when I read Greenie's post about it (just quiet enough that Rikae wouldn't hear me). And I was thinking Greenie would be a good kill during Night 2, but considered it too bold.

And then the clearer it got that I wouldn't last very long, the heavier I went after Inzil to clear him after my death (or, well, clear myself, in case of his death ).

Good game all!


Valar dohaeris!

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

And then the clearer it got that I wouldn't last very long, the heavier I went after Inzil to clear him after my death (or, well, clear myself, in case of his death ).

Yes, from Day 1 it seemed we were already locked into defensive mode trying to do damage control about our too obvious association. On your last Day I was convinced the next lynch would likely be either you or me, and giving you an early vote was the best way I could think of to possibly give the village pause in thinking we both were Lions. All that bussing, for naught. But it was still fun.