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WythDryden · 06-28-2014, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Kitanna

She ended up voting for Mac, which was no real surprise. She mentioned him the most. She was also the first to vote him. I'm actually surprised the lions didn't target her.

We don't know that the lions DIDN'T target her, we just know the bear got there first if they did.

Kitanna · 06-28-2014, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by WythDryden

We don't know that the lions DIDN'T target her, we just know the bear got there first if they did.

I don't see anything in the rules saying if the same person is targeted one team has to pick a new kill. I figured that just meant only one kill. I guess picking a new kill is always a possibilty. Can a moddess clarify?

Addendum: I'm basing my assumption on the fact if the ranger protects someone the lions/bear don't pick a new victim. So why would the lions/bears get a second pick just cause the other got there first?

Encaitare · 06-28-2014, 11:10 PM

I've read through the thread thus far... It's hard to see much in the way of clues from the deaths. It seems to me that the Lions, or the Lovers, or both, were trying to lay low.

I am feeling more at ease about Inzil now, as it would be a very transparent move for the Lions to kill Volo after he brought Inzil up to tie 6-6 with Mac. I think Inzil is smarter than that. That doesn't mean he can't be a Lover, but he feels less Lionish to me now.

Now to address this:

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

But if there was someone who tried to save Mac (on top of Mac himself and now known innocent Volo), then that person is Encaitare. Her vote-placement looks pretty bad indeed.

I had said throughout the Day that Inzil was one of my top suspects, and laid out my reasoning for choosing him over the others. In the final minutes before the deadline, there were many posts coming in quickly, so my vote did cross-post with the three votes before mine.

As I said, I'm less worried about Inzil now, but am wondering if one of the Skip voters I considered less Lionish should be on my radar now. My posting will be limited again tomorrow, but I'll try to follow along as best I can.

Aganzir · 06-29-2014, 04:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kitanna

I don't see anything in the rules saying if the same person is targeted one team has to pick a new kill. I figured that just meant only one kill. I guess picking a new kill is always a possibilty. Can a moddess clarify?

Just one kill.

Nogrod · 06-29-2014, 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Encaitare

I had said throughout the Day that Inzil was one of my top suspects, and laid out my reasoning for choosing him over the others. In the final minutes before the deadline, there were many posts coming in quickly, so my vote did cross-post with the three votes before mine.

Fair enough. There seems to be two for Mac and one for Inzil crossing your vote-post - which kind of makes it look less dubious.

Boro brings up fair points on Lommy's vote. Although I think a Lannister-Lommy could have voted Inzil even after she said of him:

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Originally Posted by Lommy

people keep suspecting him but I think he looks the same as always. Which of course doesn't mean anything since he's probably been wolf half of the games I've played in.

I mean she could just have said, that it seems these two (Mac and Inzil) are those of whom one is to be lynched, and of the two she doesn't actually think are lions she'd hold Inzil’s the most likely candidate.

The nasty thing from the POV of Lommy sure is - were she innocent or a lion - that her vote that late in the line sure draws attention. And she must have known that already when she made it. So why didn't she choose a less controversial vote? (Well, at least I would have seen taking sides between Mac - Zil less controversial.)

Aganzir · 06-29-2014, 02:41 PM

"We've definitely got one of them!" Nogrod shouted. "Those disgusting lovers under this roof, they're probably the reason for all these murders with their bizarre relationship!"

”Take your filthy and unnatural love elsewhere!” cried Lommy.

”Is loving a crime, though?” sally mused. ”What bad could result from two human beings caring for each other?”

”Emphasis on 'human',” said Lottie.

”Guys, I am actually single,” Kitanna interrupted, but nobody listened to her.

"We need to get rid of this abomination." Eönwë cried. "Maybe if we take her down, we'll rid ourselves of her foul partner as well!"

"Erm, guys, I don't have a partner." Kitanna tried again.

"Yeah!" Green joined in. "And if we do that, maybe some of these violent murders will stop!"

"People, I am not in a relationship!" Kitanna shouted.

”What's that thing between us then?” sally asked, mock-affronted.

”What are you talking about?” asked Kitanna.

Meanwhile, Encai was pulling the wagon the musicians had carried their instruments in towards the group standing in the tavern. It clinked and clattered as it went, still full of flutes and drums and guitars and bagpipes and horns and other noisy objects.

”Could somebody give me a hand?” she cried.

"Of course!" answered Green.

"I will!" said Cop.

"Sure Encai!" agreed Wyth.

"No problem," said Inzil.

Many voices joined the chorus, none entirely sure what they were being asked to do, but all keen to be involved. Dragging the heavy wagon along behind them, the patrons managed to get it up to quite a speed as it headed into the inn towards Kitanna, who stood directly in its path. She was surrounded by heavy tables and benches, and there was nowhere to run to avoid the madly musical thing now hurtling towards her at full speed.

”Oh no, it's a bandwagon!” she gasped the moment before it squeezed her to death against the wall.

Kitanna showed no signs of changing, and nobody went into hysterics over her corpse. The patrons were forced to conclude that they had been wrong.

Dead:
Agan, moddess - slaughtered by lions on Night 1
Kath, moddess - mauled by bear on Night 1
skip spence, ordo - tasted the axe on Day 1
wilwarin538, Three-Eyed Raven - eaten by bear on Night 2
Galadriel55, ordo - murdered by lions on Night 2
Macalaure - Lannister lion - stabbed through on Day 2
Nerwen – ordo – interrupted by bear on Night 3
Volo – ordo – ripped apart by lions on Night 3
Kitanna, ordo - died under a bandwagon on Day 3

Alive:
Eönwë - house Royce
Inziladun - house Tully
Encaitare - random peasant
Thinlómien - house (Stannis) Baratheon
Boromir88 - house Bolton
Loslote - illiterate Tyrell cousin
A Little Green - house Reed
WythDryden/Lote22 - house Martell
Eomer of the Rohirrim - house Stark
Rikae - house Tarth
Coppermirror - crazy Northern hermit
Nogrod - house Swann
Gil-Galad - First Baker of Braavos
satansaloser2005 - random peasant

It is now Night 4.

Aganzir · 06-30-2014, 02:00 PM

Coppermirror woke up in the middle of the night when somebody tapped politely on her door.

“Who is it?” she asked in a quavering voice, fearing the worst.

“Room service,” a rumbling voice called.

“Oh, okay,” Cop said and opened the door.
It was the Bear.

“Wait...? Where's the food?” Cop asked.

“Standing in front of me,” the Bear said.

Confused, Cop looked behind her. "But there's no one else here ... oh." Her face only had time to look crestfallen for a few fleeting seconds, before it was eagerly chewed off by the exasperated bear.

**

Meanwhile, the lions were busy. Chuckling, they leaped up the stairs, past the odd lump that was either sally or sally's straw-stuffed clothes and that was mourning over Kitanna's corpse (completely innocently, of course).

Not long after, they bounced back down carrying a squirming body. Throwing the body down on the ground in the kitchen, they stepped back to let it up.

"What? What's going on?" A trembling Gil asked.

"Why, it's time for breakfast!" The golden wolf replied cheerfully. "And as you are our resident baker, we thought you could do the honours."

"You want me to cook breakfast for you?" Gil queried. "That's it?"

Looking as if butter wouldn't melt in their mouths, the wolves smiled down at him. "Oh yes," they said, "that's it."

"Well, alright then." And Gil got to work.

He spent the better part of the night baking a beautiful, flaky pie crust, but when he reached for the mince, the silver lion stopped him.

“Oh no,” she said, smirking, “there's no need for that!”

“No offense, but I think I know best how to make a good pie,” answered Gil.

“We are sure you do,” grinned the golden lion.

“You'll make a good pie,” said the other.

*

In the morning, the patrons woke up to a lovely smell drifting upstairs. Hungry, they rushed to the tavern, and found a steaming hot pie on the table. There was a note:

Gil-Galad wishes you a good morning!

Thrilled by this turn of events, the customers dug into the beautiful pie and in no time at all the whole thing was gone.

"Where is Gil?" sally asked.

"Yes, where? I would love to say thank you for this lovely surprise." Eönwë added.

Thus began an inn-wide search for the mysteriously absent baker. A search that ended in the kitchen where, to the horror of all, the skin of the thing that had once been Gil was found, having been hastily tucked under the oven.

"Wait, if that's Gil's skin ... where's the rest of him?" Disbelieving eyes met across the room.

"No." Lommy whispered.
"The pie ..." Encai gasped.

As one, the patrons ran from the room. The slow rise of the sun was punctuated that morning by the sounds of desperate retching from nearly every room.

Dead:
Agan, moddess - slaughtered by lions on Night 1
Kath, moddess - mauled by bear on Night 1
skip spence, ordo - tasted the axe on Day 1
wilwarin538, Three-Eyed Raven - eaten by bear on Night 2
Galadriel55, ordo - murdered by lions on Night 2
Macalaure - Lannister lion - stabbed through on Day 2
Nerwen – ordo – interrupted by bear on Night 3
Volo – ordo – ripped apart by lions on Night 3
Kitanna, ordo - died under a bandwagon on Day 3
Coppermirror, ordo - snacked on by bear on Night 4
Gil-Galad, ordo - served to the Inn in a pie of his own making on Night 4

Alive:
Eönwë - house Royce
Inziladun - house Tully
Encaitare - random peasant
Thinlómien - house (Stannis) Baratheon
Boromir88 - house Bolton
Loslote - illiterate Tyrell cousin
A Little Green - house Reed
WythDryden - house Martell
Eomer of the Rohirrim - house Stark
Rikae - house Tarth
Nogrod - house Swann
satansaloser2005 - random peasant

Day 4 has started.

Nogrod · 06-30-2014, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Narration

Meanwhile, the lions were busy. Chuckling, they leaped up the stairs, past the odd lump that was either sally or sally's straw-stuffed clothes and that was mourning over Kitanna's corpse (completely innocently, of course).

Now what is this supposed to mean - adding Sally's behaviour in the end of yesterDay?

Is there a secret role or... *goes to check the rules*

Encaitare · 06-30-2014, 03:44 PM

A summary of the Kitwagon for Eomer:

YesterDay, it appeared that Nog, Inzil, and Lommy were the first few to voice suspicion of Kitanna. This was due to "safe voting," her apparently trying to take pressure off of Mac, Mac's defense of Kit the Day before, and Kit's analysis of the Lovers instead of the Lions.

Then, Greenie did a lengthy analysis of Kit's activity, post #374. It was quiet for some time after that, and then Greenie cast her vote for Kit. Nogrod said in #392 that he might vote for Kit, so we can find out what she is and not have to wonder anymore. I also voiced suspicion of Kitanna because she was a Skip voter. Loslote suspected either Kit or Rikae for largely keeping out of bandwagons.

Finally the voting took off, and you can see the voting order in my post #445.

WythDryden · 06-30-2014, 04:36 PM

A few preliminary thoughts on people so far.

Encaitare - Quick to look at Lommy at #452. Lommy has amassed some suspicions, maybe tries playing the angle that we wouldn't suspect someone so obvious (fear of making the same mistake as was made on kit?), therefore making us suspect the obvious. Possible wolf-tactic. Her point of the possiblity of the lovers joining the wolves is a pretty good one I think, now that we're dropping numbers maybe they're getting shifty?

Thinlómien - Quick to point back at Enca over possible wolfy behaviour. Though the way she does it seems pretty wolfy to me as well.

Boromir88 - As absent as he was Boro pretty outspokenly defended Kit, who we now know was an innocent. Looking better than he did to me yesterday, but still has been a bit odd. Could just be hard to judge if he hasn't been having much time to commit because of RL. I don't know about him though.

Eomer - Wants us to disregard the night kills. While I think analyzing Mac's links is important, I think going down all avenues of clues is important. It always seems weird when someone says let's not think about that too much, even if there isn't much to glean from what could be little-to-no trace kills. Points out himself that Cop voted for him on day 2. That could possibly be an attempt at beating someone else to the point, to make himself look good, but I don't know.

Sally - Defended Kit in #405, but didn't actually put her vote against Lommy until Kit had amassed 7 votes. A wolf would know that she's innocent so it'd be relatively safe to suddenly stick up for her so much (and be right), especially when it's that likely she's going to get the axe. Play to make herself look good?

I feel that raising suspicion on so many people, but also providing counter-points is non-committal and vague (and look pretty wolfish), but as it stands it's getting harder to trust anyone. My votes also may not have looked good. I voted for Kit based on a(n) (innocent) slip, safish votes, and the fact that Mac put her in his trusted list and thought he might be hiding a packmate there, as well as her vote on skip. I definitely feel like I've been pretty successfully manipulated through day 2 and 3. Not sure who is responsible, but the strange feeling that Nog is the most capable, who I've felt good about thus far. Ack.

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 06-30-2014, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by WythDryden

Eomer - Wants us to disregard the night kills. While I think analyzing Mac's links is important, I think going down all avenues of clues is important. It always seems weird when someone says let's not think about that too much, even if there isn't much to glean from what could be little-to-no trace kills.

Just to clarify, Wyth, all of you may spend as much time dissecting the reasons for the night kills as much as you want. All I'm saying (intuitively, mind you - I could be persuaded otherwise) is that since the Seer is gone, I don't find very much use in analysing them. They gotta kill somebody. Anybody could fit.

06-29-2014, 02:41 PM	#6
Aganzir Woman of Secret Shadow Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: in hollow halls beneath the fells Posts: 4,511	"We've definitely got one of them!" Nogrod shouted. "Those disgusting lovers under this roof, they're probably the reason for all these murders with their bizarre relationship!" ”Take your filthy and unnatural love elsewhere!” cried Lommy. ”Is loving a crime, though?” sally mused. ”What bad could result from two human beings caring for each other?” ”Emphasis on 'human',” said Lottie. ”Guys, I am actually single,” Kitanna interrupted, but nobody listened to her. "We need to get rid of this abomination." Eönwë cried. "Maybe if we take her down, we'll rid ourselves of her foul partner as well!" "Erm, guys, I don't have a partner." Kitanna tried again. "Yeah!" Green joined in. "And if we do that, maybe some of these violent murders will stop!" "People, I am not in a relationship!" Kitanna shouted. ”What's that thing between us then?” sally asked, mock-affronted. ”What are you talking about?” asked Kitanna. Meanwhile, Encai was pulling the wagon the musicians had carried their instruments in towards the group standing in the tavern. It clinked and clattered as it went, still full of flutes and drums and guitars and bagpipes and horns and other noisy objects. ”Could somebody give me a hand?” she cried. "Of course!" answered Green. "I will!" said Cop. "Sure Encai!" agreed Wyth. "No problem," said Inzil. Many voices joined the chorus, none entirely sure what they were being asked to do, but all keen to be involved. Dragging the heavy wagon along behind them, the patrons managed to get it up to quite a speed as it headed into the inn towards Kitanna, who stood directly in its path. She was surrounded by heavy tables and benches, and there was nowhere to run to avoid the madly musical thing now hurtling towards her at full speed. ”Oh no, it's a bandwagon!” she gasped the moment before it squeezed her to death against the wall. Kitanna showed no signs of changing, and nobody went into hysterics over her corpse. The patrons were forced to conclude that they had been wrong. Dead: Agan, moddess - slaughtered by lions on Night 1 Kath, moddess - mauled by bear on Night 1 skip spence, ordo - tasted the axe on Day 1 wilwarin538, Three-Eyed Raven - eaten by bear on Night 2 Galadriel55, ordo - murdered by lions on Night 2 Macalaure - Lannister lion - stabbed through on Day 2 Nerwen – ordo – interrupted by bear on Night 3 Volo – ordo – ripped apart by lions on Night 3 Kitanna, ordo - died under a bandwagon on Day 3 Alive: Eönwë - house Royce Inziladun - house Tully Encaitare - random peasant Thinlómien - house (Stannis) Baratheon Boromir88 - house Bolton Loslote - illiterate Tyrell cousin A Little Green - house Reed WythDryden/Lote22 - house Martell Eomer of the Rohirrim - house Stark Rikae - house Tarth Coppermirror - crazy Northern hermit Nogrod - house Swann Gil-Galad - First Baker of Braavos satansaloser2005 - random peasant It is now Night 4. __________________ He bit me, and I was not gentle.

06-30-2014, 02:00 PM	#7
Aganzir Woman of Secret Shadow Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: in hollow halls beneath the fells Posts: 4,511	Coppermirror woke up in the middle of the night when somebody tapped politely on her door. “Who is it?” she asked in a quavering voice, fearing the worst. “Room service,” a rumbling voice called. “Oh, okay,” Cop said and opened the door. It was the Bear. “Wait...? Where's the food?” Cop asked. “Standing in front of me,” the Bear said. Confused, Cop looked behind her. "But there's no one else here ... oh." Her face only had time to look crestfallen for a few fleeting seconds, before it was eagerly chewed off by the exasperated bear. Meanwhile, the lions were busy. Chuckling, they leaped up the stairs, past the odd lump that was either sally or sally's straw-stuffed clothes and that was mourning over Kitanna's corpse (completely innocently, of course). Not long after, they bounced back down carrying a squirming body. Throwing the body down on the ground in the kitchen, they stepped back to let it up. "What? What's going on?" A trembling Gil asked. "Why, it's time for breakfast!" The golden wolf replied cheerfully. "And as you are our resident baker, we thought you could do the honours." "You want me to cook breakfast for you?" Gil queried. "That's it?" Looking as if butter wouldn't melt in their mouths, the wolves smiled down at him. "Oh yes," they said, "that's it." "Well, alright then." And Gil got to work. He spent the better part of the night baking a beautiful, flaky pie crust, but when he reached for the mince, the silver lion stopped him. “Oh no,” she said, smirking, “there's no need for that!” “No offense, but I think I know best how to make a good pie,” answered Gil*. “We are sure you do,” grinned the golden lion. “You'll make a good pie,” said the other. In the morning, the patrons woke up to a lovely smell drifting upstairs. Hungry, they rushed to the tavern, and found a steaming hot pie on the table. There was a note: Gil-Galad wishes you a good morning! Thrilled by this turn of events, the customers dug into the beautiful pie and in no time at all the whole thing was gone. "Where is Gil?" sally asked. "Yes, where? I would love to say thank you for this lovely surprise." Eönwë added. Thus began an inn-wide search for the mysteriously absent baker. A search that ended in the kitchen where, to the horror of all, the skin of the thing that had once been Gil was found, having been hastily tucked under the oven. "Wait, if that's Gil's skin ... where's the rest of him?" Disbelieving eyes met across the room. "No." Lommy whispered. "The pie ..." Encai gasped. As one, the patrons ran from the room. The slow rise of the sun was punctuated that morning by the sounds of desperate retching from nearly every room. Dead: Agan, moddess - slaughtered by lions on Night 1 Kath, moddess - mauled by bear on Night 1 skip spence, ordo - tasted the axe on Day 1 wilwarin538, Three-Eyed Raven - eaten by bear on Night 2 Galadriel55, ordo - murdered by lions on Night 2 Macalaure - Lannister lion - stabbed through on Day 2 Nerwen – ordo – interrupted by bear on Night 3 Volo – ordo – ripped apart by lions on Night 3 Kitanna, ordo - died under a bandwagon on Day 3 Coppermirror, ordo - snacked on by bear on Night 4 Gil-Galad, ordo - served to the Inn in a pie of his own making on Night 4 Alive: Eönwë - house Royce Inziladun - house Tully Encaitare - random peasant Thinlómien - house (Stannis) Baratheon Boromir88 - house Bolton Loslote - illiterate Tyrell cousin A Little Green - house Reed WythDryden - house Martell Eomer of the Rohirrim - house Stark Rikae - house Tarth Nogrod - house Swann satansaloser2005 - random peasant Day 4 has started. __________________ He bit me, and I was not gentle.

06-30-2014, 03:44 PM	#9
Encaitare Bittersweet Symphony Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: On the jolly starship Enterprise Posts: 1,814	A summary of the Kitwagon for Eomer: YesterDay, it appeared that Nog, Inzil, and Lommy were the first few to voice suspicion of Kitanna. This was due to "safe voting," her apparently trying to take pressure off of Mac, Mac's defense of Kit the Day before, and Kit's analysis of the Lovers instead of the Lions. Then, Greenie did a lengthy analysis of Kit's activity, post #374. It was quiet for some time after that, and then Greenie cast her vote for Kit. Nogrod said in #392 that he might vote for Kit, so we can find out what she is and not have to wonder anymore. I also voiced suspicion of Kitanna because she was a Skip voter. Loslote suspected either Kit or Rikae for largely keeping out of bandwagons. Finally the voting took off, and you can see the voting order in my post #445.

06-30-2014, 04:36 PM	#10
WythDryden Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 26	A few preliminary thoughts on people so far. Encaitare - Quick to look at Lommy at #452. Lommy has amassed some suspicions, maybe tries playing the angle that we wouldn't suspect someone so obvious (fear of making the same mistake as was made on kit?), therefore making us suspect the obvious. Possible wolf-tactic. Her point of the possiblity of the lovers joining the wolves is a pretty good one I think, now that we're dropping numbers maybe they're getting shifty? Thinlómien - Quick to point back at Enca over possible wolfy behaviour. Though the way she does it seems pretty wolfy to me as well. Boromir88 - As absent as he was Boro pretty outspokenly defended Kit, who we now know was an innocent. Looking better than he did to me yesterday, but still has been a bit odd. Could just be hard to judge if he hasn't been having much time to commit because of RL. I don't know about him though. Eomer - Wants us to disregard the night kills. While I think analyzing Mac's links is important, I think going down all avenues of clues is important. It always seems weird when someone says let's not think about that too much, even if there isn't much to glean from what could be little-to-no trace kills. Points out himself that Cop voted for him on day 2. That could possibly be an attempt at beating someone else to the point, to make himself look good, but I don't know. Sally - Defended Kit in #405, but didn't actually put her vote against Lommy until Kit had amassed 7 votes. A wolf would know that she's innocent so it'd be relatively safe to suddenly stick up for her so much (and be right), especially when it's that likely she's going to get the axe. Play to make herself look good? I feel that raising suspicion on so many people, but also providing counter-points is non-committal and vague (and look pretty wolfish), but as it stands it's getting harder to trust anyone. My votes also may not have looked good. I voted for Kit based on a(n) (innocent) slip, safish votes, and the fact that Mac put her in his trusted list and thought he might be hiding a packmate there, as well as her vote on skip. I definitely feel like I've been pretty successfully manipulated through day 2 and 3. Not sure who is responsible, but the strange feeling that Nog is the most capable, who I've felt good about thus far. Ack.