WW CVI: Tol-in-Westeros Game Thread

[Eönwë]

Well, it looks like I probably won't have time to look at Kit suspicion yesterDay, and to be honest, that's probably for the best. She just seems to have been scapegoated and pinned with all sorts of small suspicions, and that doesn't really tell us much. What I will say about it though is that Nog brought up the slip again (even though it had already been explained) in #364, Zil entertains it in #365, and Greenie chimes in at #370 Lommy practically mentions as fact in #377.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

And to everyone who suspects me, do you really think I would have killed Gil if I was a wolf? That would be plain suicidal, both because there was quite a lot of suspicion against me already yesterDay and because the hunter is still alive. Also I can't fathom why as a wolf would I have every Day talked about how it makes way more sense for the lovers to side with the village. Really, think about it. I have a feeling I'm being set up as a lynch candidate since the beginning of the Day and I don't like it. I don't want to die with such a crappy track record and I don't want to die as a helpless victim of a wolf ploy!

Honestly, this defense makes me more suspicious of you than ever. For one thing, your point about how you wouldn't have killed Gil if you were a lion could easily be one of the reasons you killed him in the first place - so that you'd be able to make that point if suspicion circled around to you.

Originally Posted by Rikae

Also, kind of a meta point against Nog – he isn't suspecting me, or arguing with me. When he's innocent, he pretty much always thinks whatever I'm saying is flagrantly wrong and goes on a crusade against it. I can't imagine I'm suddenly talking sense in his eyes; more likely, he's evil.

I had been ready to suspect you - that had been my reasoning behind voting Kit yesterDay, that one of the two of you were probably a lion - but this looks remarkably innocent. I don't agree with your logic, of course - Nog is one of the people I think looks most innocent out of this whole village - but I don't think this is a move you'd make as a lion. Even if you and Nog were packmates, neither of you were heavily enough suspected to make lion-on-lion worthwhile, and if Rikae was a lion and Nog wasn't, it wouldn't really make sense for Rikae to attack him out of the blue like that, especially not in the absence of players obviously ready to take the bait and run with that suspicion.

In that case, then, I'll have to revise my list:

If these people are evil, they have well and truly fooled me:
Nog
Eomer
Sally

I don't think these people are evil:
Greenie
Wythy D.
Rikae
Eonwe

I wouldn't be surprised if these people were evil, but I could well be wrong:
Zil
Boro

Pretty sure, at this point, that these people are evil:
Lommy
Encai

I'd be willing to vote for any of the four people in the suspicious categories. If we lynch one of the top three, I'll be very put out.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Honestly, this defense makes me more suspicious of you than ever. For one thing, your point about how you wouldn't have killed Gil if you were a lion could easily be one of the reasons you killed him in the first place - so that you'd be able to make that point if suspicion circled around to you.

And you see how that argument is working in my favour? Seriously, when have you last seen a kill pointing at someone resulting in most people thinking that person innocent? And that doesn't remove the fact that had Gil been the hunter, I would quite likely be dead.

Also, what on earth is with this sudden Nogrod-Rikae fight? This looks way too staged to my liking. Our two wolves deciding to go at each other so that one looks more innocent when the other one dies? Or the lovers pretending to have a fight?

[Thinlómien]

Innocentish
Greenie - the same as before
Eomer - still the confusion

Medium
Boro - sounds more honest toDay, still baffled by his behaviour
Sally - no idea, and not appreciating the emotional manipulation
Wyth - no one should be under the radar this late but he kind of is
Encai - I've suspected her all along but at the moment she's not really the one I'm the most worried about
Lottie - I don't like the way she's been at my throat, but that might be knee-jerk
Inzil - Eönwë's argumentation has made me re-evaluate my conclusion that he and Mac weren't fellows, but I'm still quite unsure

What on earth
Rikae and Nogrod - this staged fight has made me basically re-evaluate everything I thought about them, just what??

You don't even know how tempted I'm to act on Nogrod's suggestion we lynch one of him and Rikae. And obviously I'm not in favour of lynching me toDay, even though that would at least shed light on who's the one that has painted target on my back toDay.


edit: xed with Nog

[Nogrod]

Okay. I'm not too interested in using the last hour to this, but just pointing at it... Where on earth did you Eönwë get that idea that Kit's "slip" was somehow definitively and positively "explained"? A different interpretation to it was sure given but there was no way of telling which interpretation was correct until after Kit died so by hindsight.

[Encaitare]

I just read through the thread, and here's my list as of now, with names in no particular order:

Probably Innocent
- Boromir - I think he's being bizarre, but I don't think he'd act that way as a Lion
- Greenie - hasn't raised any red flags for me
- Wyth - he's never played before, but I know him rather well IRL and I think he's being genuine

????????
- Lottie
- Eonwe
- Eomer
- Nogrod
- Sally

Suspicious
- Rikae - I wasn't suspicious of her before, but this business with Nogrod makes me wonder if she's a Lion getting nervous
- Lommy - the Gil-kill might be a clever bluff, designed to throw us off her trail, since she was in second place for a lynching yesterDay
- Inzil - Eonwe raised some good points about him, and I was suspicious of him since the beginning

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Inzil and Loslote both voted Skip on Day 1; they both voted Kit on Day 3; and now they've both voted Lommy today.

The one anomaly was Day 2, when Loslote voted for, interestingly, Inzil. Inzil voted for Mac, who of course was lynched. Inzil was the second most likely to be lynched.

I am not sure what to take from this.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

Inzil and Loslote both voted Skip on Day 1; they both voted Kit on Day 3; and now they've both voted Lommy today.

The one anomaly was Day 2, when Loslote voted for, interestingly, Inzil. Inzil voted for Mac, who of course was lynched. Inzil was the second most likely to be lynched.

I am not sure what to take from this.

It's worth a try, as much as anything else at this point:

++Inzil


edit: xed with Sally...

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

And you see how that argument is working in my favour? Seriously, when have you last seen a kill pointing at someone resulting in most people thinking that person innocent? And that doesn't remove the fact that had Gil been the hunter, I would quite likely be dead.

Gil was unlikely to be the hunter. If you were a wolf, that might have worried you a little bit, but if you needed to make yourself look better, I don't think the risk would have been too high.

Also, what on earth is with this sudden Nogrod-Rikae fight? This looks way too staged to my liking. Our two wolves deciding to go at each other so that one looks more innocent when the other one dies? Or the lovers pretending to have a fight?

Also doubtful. Neither of them were under a ton of suspicion, there was no need to make a sacrifice gambit at this point. Same goes for the lovers, but even more so - lovers would not pull a sacrifice gambit. They would lose if they pulled a sacrifice gambit. And there wouldn't have been a reason for them to try to separate themselves from each other, either, since they haven't been voting together and they haven't interacted much. I'm pretty sure the Nog-Rikae spat is just between two innocents.

EDIT: xed with Nog and Lommy

[Loslote]

Also, Lommy seems to be doing her best to egg on Nog and Rikae - trying to get the attention off of herself? Or just enjoying watching to non-lions at each others' throats? I don't like how she jumped on that at all.

++Lommy

For her reaction to the Nog-Rikae spat, as well as the other reasons I've listed earlier.

[Inziladun]

I'm still not happy about having to follow Steve, but it doesn't look like I'm going to have a lot of time. Places to go. And for what it's worth, I'm inclined to trust Lottie.

++Lommy

x/d with Nog and Eomer

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Also, Lommy seems to be doing her best to egg on Nog and Rikae - trying to get the attention off of herself? Or just enjoying watching to non-lions at each others' throats? I don't like how she jumped on that at all.

++Lommy

For her reaction to the Nog-Rikae spat, as well as the other reasons I've listed earlier.

Well surprise I want the attention somewhere else. This Day hasn't been very productive with most of the discussion still revolving around whether voting Kit was justified or not, and at least one of the general top suspects being innocent. Whatever happens toDay, I hope toMorrow is more productive.


edit: xed with Greenie and Inzil

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

There does seem to be a concerted effort to lynch Lommy today, and it reminds me of yesterday against Kit. Going to check those votes now.

[Nogrod]

I think Lommy's voting record is more suspicious than Gil's death. Otherwise I'm a bit puzzled about this wagon gathering behind her.

Rikae acted in a way I can't see any innocent acting - but have hard times seeing her act like that as a lion (or lover) either - unless they are in really dire straits and desperate.

Does anyone remember what the kind of "general air of things" earlier toDay - like was there some clear favourites to be lynched? I'll check it myself but if someone has the feel of the Day already I'd like to hear that. I mean that might actually explain why Rikae is acting that panickedly - if her mate was clearly the top suspicion.

So like at the time - or a bit before - when she thought I was leading the discussion to unhelpful directions...


EDIT: X'd with Eomer onwards...

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I'm leaning towards Nogrod's side in this debate with Rikae.

Rikae, if I may ask, what's with your obsession with Enca? I've read all your posts from the last 2 days and I just don't see much of anything there; but you keep repeating you will vote for or suspect Enca for 'previously stated reasons'.

[A Little Green]

Here at last, sorry it took me so long, now trying to read at least something before deadline. Sorry, I'm a mess.

[Eönwë]

Worry me
Lommy - The bad feeling I've had about her still hasn't left, plus there's the Kit stuff.
Nog - Reasons mentioned before (mostly the Mac and Kit stuff)

Worry me slightly less
Zil- For reasons mentioned before, but down a level because I always end up suspecting him.
Encai - There are numerous times when I've read something that doesn't sit right with me, but it's hard to pinpoint anything specific.
Boro - Quiet. Too quiet. And then he jumps in to fight for Kit. Something about that seems off.
Greenie - Seemed overly innocent at the beginning, then the Kit stuff. Might be trying to misguide.
Rikae - Always scares me. And seems to find similar people suspicious, which, in a game with so much uncertainty, makes me wary.

Don't worry me, which worries me
Eomer - Has seemed pretty good so far
Sally - No idea what she was up to yesterDay, but nothing seems particularly evil. She really hasn't said enough though.
Lottie - Has been quite quiet. Nothing particularly incriminating.
WyDry - Still have no idea

Note: Order within categories is just according to the modlist.

edit: x-ed with Lottie

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Let's see if there is still something in the "Mac-diaries" or other promising leads. If not, then let's lynch Rikae - or me. We can nicely afford even lynching me toDay with the numbers we have if you then lynch her the next Day.

I'm not entirely comfortable with this. An innocent might say that, but so might a Lion trying to look unconcerned. I've done that myself as a baddie before.

Originally Posted by Loslote

Honestly, this defense makes me more suspicious of you than ever. For one thing, your point about how you wouldn't have killed Gil if you were a lion could easily be one of the reasons you killed him in the first place - so that you'd be able to make that point if suspicion circled around to you.

I can see where the Lommy suspicion comes from. I still wonder though why, if she's a Lion, they would have killed one of her voters. It seems reckless and unnecessary, but I guess stranger things have happened.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

I can see where the Lommy suspicion comes from. I still wonder though why, if she's a Lion, they would have killed one of her voters. It seems reckless and unnecessary, but I guess stranger things have happened.

Most people yesterDay thought Lommy was at least a little fishy, though (the notable exception being Encai, who had her solidly in the middle). The village was roughly divided down the middle between outright suspecting her and thinking she was 'kind of fishy' but not wanting to commit to full-out suspicion yet. She needed something to be able to point to as a solid reason why she isn't a lion, and I think we saw it when she claimed that she would never have killed Gil if she were a lion. I think that was the reason for the kill - she wanted something that would point back so obviously to her that she could then say she wouldn't have risked it.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Most people yesterDay thought Lommy was at least a little fishy, though (the notable exception being Encai, who had her solidly in the middle). The village was roughly divided down the middle between outright suspecting her and thinking she was 'kind of fishy' but not wanting to commit to full-out suspicion yet. She needed something to be able to point to as a solid reason why she isn't a lion, and I think we saw it when she claimed that she would never have killed Gil if she were a lion. I think that was the reason for the kill - she wanted something that would point back so obviously to her that she could then say she wouldn't have risked it.

Hmm. That's a pretty involved scenario, but a LommyLion is definitely capable of it.
It worries me somewhat that Eönwë, who at first seemed eager to lump me in with Mac, then broadened his suspects to include Nog and Lommy, has now voted for the latter.

[WythDryden]

Stuff has been coming up at work so I don't know if I'll get another chance to post/follow what is going on before the deadline. The argument for Lommy is compelling, but I'm going to stick with my first instinct.

++Inzil

If I'm wrong about him I'm sure I'm going to look bad toMorrow, but oh well.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Eönwë

...Nog brought up the slip again (even though it had already been explained) in #364, Zil entertains it in #365, and Greenie chimes in at #370 Lommy practically mentions as fact in #377.

A succinct summary of yesterDay's shenanigans. Steve is my spirit animal.


Quick list then, while I'm rushing through my lunch.

Guilty:
Lommy
Boro

Leaning guilty:
Rikae

Not sure:
Greenie
Nog
Lottie
Encai
Wyth
Eomer

Probably innocent:
Dun (see my post yesterDay)
Steve

[Eönwë]

Ok, I need to go now, so

++Lommy