Riddles in the Downs

[Galadriel55]

Nope. But I thought Paths of the Dead would also be a potential answer.

Palantir is way off. It doesn't actually do most of the things in the riddle. Especially the line that says "inside her kingdom". Kingdom might be metaphorical, yes, but inside it? Denethor never lied down to rest within the palantir, or even its "kingdom". The "inside" is more important than you might think - more important than the kingdom.

[Ivriniel]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Nope. But I thought Paths of the Dead would also be a potential answer.

Palantir is way off. It doesn't actually do most of the things in the riddle. Especially the line that says "inside her kingdom". Kingdom might be metaphorical, yes, but inside it? Denethor never lied down to rest within the palantir, or even its "kingdom". The "inside" is more important than you might think - more important than the kingdom.

Okay *smiles* now I'm muddled erm, I'm gunna need some help....

I've explored ideas about location (Rath Dinen), versus a metaphoric adaptation of 'city/space' (a Palantir as a psychological 'realm') and also, a blending of the two (Barrow Wights. That guess melded ideas about 'slavery' [necromantic invasion of barrows] with 'kingship' [because a barrow was a burial site for Kings of northern kingdom]. This was the attempt to reconcile ideas about slavery, service, kingship and duty. (Poem refers to this).

so, I got that Rath Dinen was kinda close-ish, and that the Palantir was off base implying that 'space' or 'city' was not where u've adapted metaphoric licence. I tried 'palantir' to test that theory. Cause a palantir has a very vast psychological realm in semi-conscious entity, and capacity to 'hold' or 'steer' the viewer (slavery concept) and where a King (man of stature) can 'override'. If u say 'she' means something else, then, easily, I saw that 'realm' could have been 'of the mind space' (I'm a shrink, so that one kinda came to me very naturally. I see every human as having an entire realmspace and universe)....

I also get that u've used 'she' broadly, and it seems from ur comments, to imply some kind of literal, actual, geographical space or locale...? So 'she' means location, is how I've interpreted.

Is that correct? That is, are we looking at an actual, literal place or location. Or--alternatively -- something else?

Cheers (I'm enjoying this, btw - thanx for posting....when I nail the riddle, am gunna ponder something in kind )

kind regards

[Mithalwen]

An actual barrow rather than the wight? They were the tombs of kings... but leaves too much to explain.

[Ivriniel]

Or the Barrow Downs.

If Rath Dinen was closer - perhaps ur seeking another locale within Minas Anor?

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Ivriniel

Okay *smiles* now I'm muddled erm, I'm gunna need some help....

I've explored ideas about location (Rath Dinen), versus a metaphoric adaptation of 'city/space' (a Palantir as a psychological 'realm') and also, a blending of the two (Barrow Wights. That guess melded ideas about 'slavery' [necromantic invasion of barrows] with 'kingship' [because a barrow was a burial site for Kings of northern kingdom]. This was the attempt to reconcile ideas about slavery, service, kingship and duty. (Poem refers to this).

so, I got that Rath Dinen was kinda close-ish, and that the Palantir was off base implying that 'space' or 'city' was not where u've adapted metaphoric licence. I tried 'palantir' to test that theory. Cause a palantir has a very vast psychological realm in semi-conscious entity, and capacity to 'hold' or 'steer' the viewer (slavery concept) and where a King (man of stature) can 'override'. If u say 'she' means something else, then, easily, I saw that 'realm' could have been 'of the mind space' (I'm a shrink, so that one kinda came to me very naturally. I see every human as having an entire realmspace and universe)....

I also get that u've used 'she' broadly, and it seems from ur comments, to imply some kind of literal, actual, geographical space or locale...? So 'she' means location, is how I've interpreted.

Is that correct? That is, are we looking at an actual, literal place or location. Or--alternatively -- something else?

Cheers (I'm enjoying this, btw - thanx for posting....when I nail the riddle, am gunna ponder something in kind )

kind regards

Ok, in short -

Originally Posted by Ivriniel

If Rath Dinen was closer - perhaps ur seeking another locale within Minas Anor?

Yes.

Rath Dinen was much closer than either of you realize. Don't go hunting after wights and palantirs.

Yes, it is a location.

Note - it's the slave/servant that's free, and the man of stature who remains inside.

The "kingdom" is very small. Like a "pretty small fraction of a city" small.

Hope this helps.

[Mithalwen]

Could it be the pyre of Denethor l

[Galadriel55]

No, not the pyre. This is colder than Rath Dinen, but still not too far.

[Ivriniel]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Ok, in short -



Yes.

Rath Dinen was much closer than either of you realize. Don't go hunting after wights and palantirs.

Yes, it is a location.

Note - it's the slave/servant that's free, and the man of stature who remains inside.

The "kingdom" is very small. Like a "pretty small fraction of a city" small.

Hope this helps.

*cheeky smile* - ah, now I understand - my character is someone that's not quite a prescriptive - and so I took 'rath dinen' as generally encompassing of ''good enough" and got side-saddled into a palantir-ic diversion

So - here's what I reckon, then:

Rath Dinen, the silent street, that precedes access to Mindolluin! Kings and such, are on the far side of Fen Hollen. So, I'd say that ur speaking of that.

Stewards (for those servants also free) and Kings (I suppose people's servants too in a way), or else ur speakin' about that white tree thingy that was of Galathilion, originally, of Teleperion.

will that do?

[Galadriel55]

You're literally stepping on the answer, just now quite nailing it. Think about this: "Where she dwells with silence". Silence was correctly identified as Rath Dinen. Who is she?

Yet another hint: you already know the answer, just say it as the answer.