Why did the Wise not bow to the Hobbits? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Andsigil · 09-02-2014, 04:15 AM

Rank.

Istari and Elf-lords outrank ring-bearers.

Lotrelf · 09-04-2014, 04:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Andsigil

Rank.

Istari and Elf-lords outrank ring-bearers.

But not for Tolkien.

Mithalwen · 09-04-2014, 05:36 AM

Elrond and Gandalf were ringbearers. And the cynical might point out that the hobbits were their pawns..noo the one ring is too dangerous for us... off you trot now...

Inziladun · 09-04-2014, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Elrond and Gandalf were ringbearers. And the cynical might point out that the hobbits were their pawns..noo the one ring is too dangerous for us... off you trot now...

Heh. RHIP. It reminds me of the Bored of the Rings line where Frito says something like "I don't remember volunteering for this Ring business."

Puddleglum · 09-05-2014, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Inziladun

Heh. RHIP. It reminds me of the Bored of the Rings line where Frito says something like "I don't remember volunteering for this Ring business."

No one was very noble in that book. Didn't Goodgulf run up the white flag declaring "better Sorhed than No Head"?

Inziladun · 09-05-2014, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Puddleglum

No one was very noble in that book. Didn't Goodgulf run up the white flag declaring "better Sorhed than No Head"?

I don't recall that specifically, but I do remember Frito positing ideas for getting rid of the Ring, and Goodgulf saying 'Alas, it is not that easy.'
'But why?'
'Alas,' explained Goodgulf.
'Alackaday,' Orlon agreed.

Now if PJ had aimed for parody, I might be much more forgiving toward these films.

Lotrelf · 09-05-2014, 08:10 PM

I feel I should have started this thread in ME Mirth. -!- As for the Hobbits, I feel, the reason may be Merry and Pip too whose deeds were not as great as those of the Ring-bearers but they, too, stood there with them. IDK, I am wondering if there's something by Peter Jackson that shows his decision that sort of contradicts with Professor Tolkien's.

09-02-2014, 04:15 AM	#1
Andsigil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: The Deepest Forges of Ered Luin Posts: 733	Rank. Istari and Elf-lords outrank ring-bearers. __________________ Even as fog continues to lie in the valleys, so does ancient sin cling to the low places, the depression in the world consciousness.

09-04-2014, 05:36 AM	#3
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	Elrond and Gandalf were ringbearers. And the cynical might point out that the hobbits were their pawns..noo the one ring is too dangerous for us... off you trot now... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

09-05-2014, 08:10 PM	#7
Lotrelf Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 265	I feel I should have started this thread in ME Mirth. -!- As for the Hobbits, I feel, the reason may be Merry and Pip too whose deeds were not as great as those of the Ring-bearers but they, too, stood there with them. IDK, I am wondering if there's something by Peter Jackson that shows his decision that sort of contradicts with Professor Tolkien's. __________________ A short saying oft contains much wisdom. ~Sophocles