WW CVII: Restless Nights in Sleepy Hollow - Game Thread

[Nerwen]

What the heck is going on in this village?

[Nerwen]

I mean, you'd think the person who lynched the Ranger on Day One would be pretty safe on Night Two. Did they think Agan was the Seer, who had dreamed an innocent Zil? Or is this a bluff? Or something else?

[Nerwen]

Aganzir

Tally:
Inzil – Mac
Mac – Shasta
Sally – Inzil
Rikae – Inzil (2)
McCaber – Legate

#53
Opening banter.

#57
Banter. Asks if there is a Wildcard. Suggests Mac and Mc might be fellows, as "blatant wolf-on-wolfing" is something she has seen Mac do before, is "fairly okay" with Zil, Rikae and Legate, but notes that she has only skimmed the thread after McCaber's vote (on Legate.)
Comment: could the question about the Wildcard have led the wolves to believe Agan herself had this role? Far-fetched, perhaps- but gifteds do sometimes give themselves away in this manner.

#59
Gives current tally. Disagrees with Greenie's suspicion of Legate, describes her as "too trigger-happy" about him and her reaction to the "Mac-McC-Inzil-Legate camp" as "more off than the thing itself", but also notes that "there's nothing out of the ordinary in this suspicion and it probably has more to do with our ways of thinking than our roles".
Comment: this may have looked like a Seer stressing that her suspicion was not the result of an actual dream.

#60
Suspicious of the way Sally phrased her vote-post. Does not want to vote for Zil or Legate. Might vote Mac, Shasta, Greenie or Sally.

#61
Notes that probably the only further voters will be herself, Legate and Greenie.

Tally:
Inzil – Mac
Mac – Shasta
Sally – Inzil
Rikae – Inzil (2)
McCaber – Legate
Greenie -- Legate (2)

#63
Votes Legate. "Because I like Inzil better."

#64
Regrets the vote because she and Legate "could have negotiated a Mac-Shasta lynch". Asks if she can retract.
Comments: if Mac or Shasta is a wolf, this might have been alarming to the wolves, coming almost out of the blue as it does

#66
Explains that she had believed her vote was the only way to save Inzil, with whom she had most wanted to play; adds that she "completely forgot" what she had said about the other players.

#68
Asked by Greenie, "Why Mac?", replies, "Why not? Why Shasta? Why not? I don't have an opinion about them so might as well take my chances!"

#69
Tells Legate she hopes he is a wolf, but seems pessimistic.

#71
Replying to Legate's "But seriously???", says, "I said I was stupid and sorry!" Adds (correctly) that this will look "hilarious" to people reading the thread later.

#74
Thinks Legate is innocent.

#77
Replying to Legate, who points out that she "should have realised that before voting", says,
"I did! I said I didn't want to lynch you! But I also didn't want to lynch Inzil!"

Comments: Could the wolves have thought that here was a Seer focussed on saving her dreamed innocent to the exclusion of all else? It seems as likely as anything- however, as I originally suggested, it is also possible that this is a bluff (I.e to take the heat off a beleaguered Zilwolf.) As you see, the only explanations I can come up with are "they thought she was the Seer" and "they wanted us to think they thought she was the Seer" and, perhaps, "they thought she was the Wildcard". There may be others, but the thing is, they'd need a really good reason to kill her, under the circumstances.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Comments: Could the wolves have thought that here was a Seer focussed on saving her dreamed innocent to the exclusion of all else? It seems as likely as anything- however, as I originally suggested, it is also possible that this is a bluff (I.e to take the heat off a beleaguered Zilwolf.) As you see, the only explanations I can come up with are "they thought she was the Seer" and "they wanted us to think they thought she was the Seer" and, perhaps, "they thought she was the Wildcard". There may be others, but the thing is, they'd need a really good reason to kill her, under the circumstances.

Was getting Agan necessary to make me look suspicious? Like I need the help.

And we don't have a Wildcard, do we? I thought that was dependent on having a lot of players.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Was getting Agan necessary to make me look suspicious? Like I need the help.

And we don't have a Wildcard, do we? I thought that was dependent on having a lot of players.

I guess I wasn't clear enough. Agan, for some reason, went all out to save you, to the extent of casting the kill-vote on another player whom she obviously didn't particularly suspect. To the wolves, this might well have suggested she was the Seer who had dreamed you as an innocent- unless you're *not* innocent, in which case it might be, as I said, a bluff. Or they might have killed her for some other reason- that's why I mentioned a.) her sudden gung-ho attitude towards lynching Mac and Shasta and b.) her Wildcard question. (I'd say we don't have one, but the numbers are borderline.

I have to say too that Nerwen's above has a feel of a wolf saying, 'Gosh, how did that happen? Like I said,just a feeling.

I tend to think like a wolf- you should know that by now.

Mac not taking the bait and attacking me, instead casting an easy vote for Shasta does not help him.

Ye-es- but Zil, you made a big deal about your vote being early and semi-random.

It really depends on whether or not the following suspicion was meant seriously:

Originally Posted by Mac

But, but... I didn't even do anything yet!

Clearly Inzil is trying to look innocent by acting like he always does (i.e., voting for me). Very suspicious.

[Rikae]

It seems to me that they must have thought she was the seer - I had that thought myself. That, of course, would make Inzil look much better.
But in that case, why is Inzil acting so weird and defensive now? I thought Nerwen's "bluff" theory was far-fetched, but now that I see his reaction, I'm entertaining the possibility.
Now, about yesterday's Legate-wagon - I didn't realize how quickly things could get out of hand in such a small village, either. But really, did you have to go and lynch someone with such a good class participation grade, let alone the ranger!? Last Night I was thinking there had to be a wolvish influence in such a messed up wagon, perhaps an attempt to save Inzil by either Greenie or a cleverly bluffing Agan. With Agan ruled out, I really would like to take a look at Greenie toDay. Her case against Legate seemed kind of trumped-up, and then she dismisses Inzil with:

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Yes, that's weird. I'm not sure what to make of Inzil, anyway, and his vote only served to confuse me more.

So, a "oh well, Inzil is weird, what can you do? kinda thing. And then later:

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Inzil - Confusing. His interactions with Mac and Cab are especially interesting; he jokingly suspects them both, then actually suspects McCaber, then votes for Mac. Makes no sense unless his vote is a typo.

This looks like she's trying to explain it away, to me. She mentions a reason he's suspicious, but only labels it "confusing" and suggests a typo.

I have a feeling I might be too fixated on the idea of an Inzilwolf and possible accomplices, though - I'm going to have to look more closely at others. I don't agree with McCaber's trust of quiet ones: I've seen many a quiet wolf and even been one. I certainly hope we hear plenty from Wilwa and Shasta toDay. Also, something about Mac's "perky" attitude reminds me of times he's been a wolf before.

[satansaloser2005]

Agan, of all people? Really?

Regarding the possibility of Agan bluffing as seer, I could see her buddying up to Dun for a Day had she dreamt him a wolf. After all, she's a hot candidate for Night kills (as we've just seen), so throwing him off her scent could buy her an extra dream or two so she could....I don't know, man, it's Agan. Frankly, my first suspicions would not have been that she was the seer; she defended Dun to the extreme, sure, but the manner in which she did it does not cry seer to me. I think she was going from what little evidence she had and wanted to keep Dun around because, as she said, she wanted to play with him.

Speaking of which, good show, village. Way to steamroll yet another ranger for essentially no reason. *grumbles* Poor Legate. Where the heck did that come from?

Mistress Kit, could we perhaps get a definitive yea or nay on the wildcard? I'd just like to be able to get a crystal picture of our situation.

No more to say at the moment, as I've a big project to complete today. Fair warning that I will probably be pretty quiet until late this evening, but I'll slip in when I can.

[Kitanna]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Mistress Kit, could we perhaps get a definitive yea or nay on the wildcard? I'd just like to be able to get a crystal picture of our situation.

A disembodied head floats down among the villagers
There is no wildcard in play
Disembodied head floats away

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I guess I wasn't clear enough. Agan, for some reason, went all out to save you, to the extent of casting the kill-vote on another player whom she obviously didn't particularly suspect. To the wolves, this might well have suggested she was the Seer who had dreamed you as an innocent- unless you're *not* innocent, in which case it might be, as I said, a bluff. Or they might have killed her for some other reason- that's why I mentioned a.) her sudden gung-ho attitude towards lynching Mac and Shasta and b.) her Wildcard question. (I'd say we don't have one, but the numbers are borderline.

Ah. I would think it unlikely that she was targeted for entertaining a Mac or Shasta lynch in such a lukewarm manner.

Originally Posted by Rikae

It seems to me that they must have thought she was the seer - I had that thought myself. That, of course, would make Inzil look much better.
But in that case, why is Inzil acting so weird and defensive now? I thought Nerwen's "bluff" theory was far-fetched, but now that I see his reaction, I'm entertaining the possibility.

Weird? Always. But if I was a wolf, this 'bluff' would obviously draw this exact scrutiny of me.

Originally Posted by Rikae

Last Night I was thinking there had to be a wolvish influence in such a messed up wagon, perhaps an attempt to save Inzil by either Greenie or a cleverly bluffing Agan.

It could certainly be taken that way.
Cab voted Legate first, saying:

So with not a lot to go on, let's go with who saw suspicion in me, I would say unnecessarily and prematurely.

So, he chose Legate over me, though both of us could be said to have 'seen suspicion' in him.
Then Greenie followed that vote, of course.

Of the two, Greenie's looks a little worse.

x/d with Sally

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Weird? Always. But if I was a wolf, this 'bluff' would obviously draw this exact scrutiny of me.

Really? Because it seems to me that it is far more likely to make you look innocent. Like I said, if not for your reaction, I would have moved you lower on my suspect list.

As a bluff, it doesn't really make that much sense. Why would the wolves feel the need to base their kill on protecting Inzil rather than hunting the seer? Sure, he came under fire, but day one suspicions are often short-lived. It would take a panicky wolf, a panicky pack, to do that, but that's just how Inzil is coming off - panicky.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I mean, you'd think the person who lynched the Ranger on Day One would be pretty safe on Night Two. Did they think Agan was the Seer, who had dreamed an innocent Zil? Or is this a bluff? Or something else?

What sort of bluff? Agan made a point of saying she wanted me around, but that's pretty thin for a Seer-hint. I guess it's possible.
I have to say too that Nerwen's above has a feel of a wolf saying, 'Gosh, how did that happen? Like I said,just a feeling.

Where did the Legate-wagon come from, anyway? I knew my vote would get me some of my own, but I was surprised to see he got lynched.
Although I'm pretty certain there's a wolf who voted me, odds are there's at least one who went for Legate. It narrows the possibilities at least that one on each bandwagon is gone.

Mac not taking the bait and attacking me, instead casting an easy vote for Shasta does not help him.

x/d with Nerwen