WW CVII: Restless Nights in Sleepy Hollow - Game Thread

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Shasta

Anyone around - how likely is it that McCaber did in fact dream Inzil innocent?

Fairly likely, in my opinion. Here's what McCaber says about Inzil and me:

Originally Posted by Cab

Speaking of, I don't really agree with the recent Inzil train. He looks more like an ordo to me, albeit a weirdly-acting one. And LG has done nothing to make me suspicious of her that I can see.

Note also that the Ranger was already dead at this point, so it makes double sense for the Seer to leave hints as to who he dreamed. Inzil would be a logical choice for a Night 2 dream anyway, given how much suspicion he was under on Day 1. So yeah. If Inzil is, in fact, a wolf, I suggest we collectively lynch McCaber even though he's already dead.

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Shasta

Inzil has one vote, Sally has two. I feel as though, were my shining star a wolf and Sally innocent, she'd have voted her already.

This is an interesting point. If Sally does turn out to be a wolf, I suggest a closer look at Nerwen toMorrow. Although now I think of it, you haven't voted yet either - but then, you're not sure Inzil was dreamed, which either makes you an independent thinker or a wolf trying to probe around for a possibility of lynching Inzil instead of Sally. So basically - if Sally is lynched and turns out to be a wolf, I'll have to raise an eyebrow. If Sally is lynched and turns out innocent, you'll look decent too, but the game will be over so that doesn't matter. And I'm willing to bet that if we lynch Inzil it's game over.

Also, just spotted this and it makes me laugh:

Originally Posted by Nerwen

True, but I would expect at least some token wolf-on-wolfing toDay- you know, just in case the lynch miscarried.

Originally Posted by Nerwen in the same post, explaining why she suggested lynching Shasta

It's basically just a joke based on the "psychic wolf" thing. In truth Shasta had done so little up to that point that I had no idea about him. Now he's suddenly surfaced on this crucial Day- which could point either way, really.

Token wolf-on-wolfing, anyone?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Fairly likely, in my opinion. Here's what McCaber says about Inzil and me:
Note also that the Ranger was already dead at this point, so it makes double sense for the Seer to leave hints as to who he dreamed. Inzil would be a logical choice for a Night 2 dream anyway, given how much suspicion he was under on Day 1. So yeah. If Inzil is, in fact, a wolf, I suggest we collectively lynch McCaber even though he's already dead.

McCaber does use the words "looks like an ordo" - I would think that he would have to know how that would look to the rest of us should he be revealed as the Seer later. It seems to me as though had he just been expressing an opinion, he'd have used different wording.

I hate voting because the alternative looks more innocent, though. Dang.

Well, DL is in a few hours, and I'm certain to be on again.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Anyone around? I was hoping to talk with everyone else who hasn't voted, but I'm beginning to think it won't matter.

[Nerwen]

Rikae, Day One

#11.
Banter: is “definitely not a wolf, because I’m posting fifth”.

#14.
Replying to Zil #12, who pointed out she was fourth:

Why would I lie? ARE YOU ACCUSING ME OF LYING?

Inzil is a wolf 'cause he's looking for an easy lynch.

#16.
Explains her counting error: "Nah, I just counted Nerwen, Inzil, Cate Blanchett and McCaber.”

#17.
Will be “most displeased” if people don’t post.

#20.
Replying to Zil #18, who believes there is little to discuss yet,

Originally Posted by Rikae

We can discuss the most basic thing of all: how people are posting (if only they were posting).
It may not be rock-solid evidence, but in the end, it can work, and it's what usually tips the balance in a WW game anyway.
At this point, though, if nothing changes, I'm inclined to vote for the last person who posts, or for the person who says the least.

Or I could vote for Mac, who I know for a fact is aware of the game and had the opportunity to post.

Comment: This was followed by Mac's appearance, McCaber's “chiming in” comment and all that jazz.

#28.
Replying to Zil #23, Legate #24, asks, "How's Cab suspicious? Or is this still just banter?”

#29.

Originally Posted by Rikae

I can't see "wolf-on-wolf" on the level of Mac's comment about Cab being either risky or... well... much of anything.. I mean, it's a silly rhyme the kids say when they come to the dinner table.

Although Cab's response to Mac does worry me slightly.

Tally
Zil —> Mac

#35.
Suspicion list. I am “somewhat antsy”; finds Zil “opportunistic" for "jumping-on-Cab-for-jumping-on-Mac” and wonder why he voted the latter rather than the former, his apparent main suspect. Doesn’t find McCaber as suspicious as Legate and Zil do. Legate “seems legit”. Will give Mac a free pass for “eight years of being nice”. Sally, Agan, Wilwa and Greenie are “absent, and therefore all evil”. Shasta, is therefore too useful to lose.
Unless evil... psychic wolves? Nope nope nope…” Remarks that threatening to vote people seems to work, says perhaps she will vote for Sally.

#39.
Commenting on Sally's appearance (and “Love you too” comment) at #38:
“Speak of the devil!”
(Sally replies, “No dear, phantom isn’t in this game”.)

Tally
Zil —> Mac
Mac —> Shasta
Sally —> Zil

#48. Vote-post.

Well, I really hate to vote early, but I also hate to get up early on Saturdays, so...

Best I've got at this point:
++Inziladun

Comments: Nothing really untoward here. Banter with Sally *might* be wolf-on-wolf, but then again might be just banter.


Rikae, Day Two

#91. Agrees with me (#85, #86) that the wolves likely thought Agan the Seer. Thought my alternative bluff-theory far-fetched, but comments that Zil is “weird and defensive” and is now “entertaining the possibility". Finds Greenie suspicious for her “trumped-up” case on Legate; believes her comment (#58) on Zil, especially the suggestion of his vote being a typo, may have been an attempt to whitewash a packmate. Admits she may be too fixated on the idea of an Inzilwolf and will need to look at others. Disagrees with McCaber's trust of quite people, as she has seen many quiet wolves. Want to hear more from Wilwa and Shasta. Mac’s “perky” attitude reminds her of his wolf-self.

#96.
Replying to Zil #93.

Originally Posted by Rikae

Really? Because it seems to me that it is far more likely to make you look innocent. Like I said, if not for your reaction, I would have moved you lower on my suspect list.

As a bluff, it doesn't really make that much sense. Why would the wolves feel the need to base their kill on protecting Inzil rather than hunting the seer? Sure, he came under fire, but day one suspicions are often short-lived. It would take a panicky wolf, a panicky pack, to do that, but that's just how Inzil is coming off - panicky.

Comment: This is true, but she really seems to want to have her cake and eat it here, doesn’t she?

#105.
Replying to Shasta at #104, in turn commenting on Greenie #50
"Come to think of it, she is kind of misrepresenting what I said there, since it was a double post and pretty obviously a continuation of the same thought.”

#110.
Reply to Greenie #106, #107.

Originally Posted by Rikae

A wolf might have wanted Cab lynched, but not to be in the wagon. He might have been wolf-on-wolfing. Could be lots of things. But what I wonder is: why would an innocent Greenie repeatedly bring up such inconsistencies without any intent to either cast, or to answer, suspicion?

As for my posts on Cab, I can't see how it would be unclear to any honest reader: I was surprised by Inzil & Legate's suspicion which seemed disproportionate, and then made a guess as to what they meant: something I had noticed but didn't consider particularly significant myself.

What would be the point of sneakily casting suspicion on someone who was, at that point, the most suspected anyway?

Comment: this second part ultimately refers to #50, where Greenie suggests Rikae is “subtly trying to raise doubts about Cab” (i.e. with her Day One question about whether he was supicious). As for Rikae's reply: well, there was nothing like a certainly that McCaber would be lynched (in fact, he wasn’t), and a wolf often does like to nudge the lynch the “right” way. Actually I don’t see much in her questions on Day One, but the “why” now seems a bit disingenuous.


Tally
Wilwa —> Greenie
Zil —> Nerwen
Mac —> Greenie (2)
Shasta —> Mac

#121. Vote-post

Originally Posted by Rikae

I can't stay awake any longer, and I won't be up before DL, so I'll have to vote now.

For reasons previously given, plus the way he's been extra calm since I called him panicky. I know, that sounds terrible, but just look: I feel like he's tiptoeing around me, and I don't recall innocent!Inzil being one to tiptoe.

++Inziladun

Conclusion: I really don’t know. She is, as she says herself, rather fixated on Zil, much as Sally has been. Some of her interactions with him suggest the old “witch hunt” technique; yet, I do think he was genuinely jumpy. I don’t have time for a detailed look at Day 3 Rikae; however if she is a wolf she has either decided to bus her packmate Sally (good), or else climb on Zil’s vote on an innocent Sally (bad).

EDIT: X’d with Shasta.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Shasta

McCaber does use the words "looks like an ordo" - I would think that he would have to know how that would look to the rest of us should he be revealed as the Seer later. It seems to me as though had he just been expressing an opinion, he'd have used different wording.

I hate voting because the alternative looks more innocent, though. Dang.

Indeed– Seers have screwed up their hints before this, and, more importantly, an ordo-Zil could easily just be *wrong*.

[Nerwen]

So, the tally:

Zil —> Sally
Rikae —> Sally (2)
Sally —> Zil
Greenie —> Sally (3)

Left to vote: Me, Shasta, Wilwa.

Under this game’s tie-breaker rule, the only alternative to lynching Sally would be for all three of us to follow Sally’s vote on Zil. This seems unwise.

[Nerwen]

So, again hoping for the best:

++Sally

Either she’s a wolf, or we’re all dead.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Indeed– Seers have screwed up their hints before this, and, more importantly, an ordo-Zil could easily just be *wrong*.

True, but at this point think it matters, considering the votes. Unless Wilwa appears and all three of her, you, and I vote for Inzil, Sally's getting lynched regardless. And I'm not even certain I want to vote Inzil! I'm just bothered by Rikae's vote and I'm not even sure why - no, wait, actually, I just thought of something. Inzil was the first person to vote; it wasn't necessarily mandatory that she jump on his vote at that point; I could easily be wrong here, but I don't recall Rikae being overly suspicious of Sally then. Given that Inzil could be wrong, even as a probably-dreamt ordo, why jump on his vote that quickly?

Not that it matters at this point, of course, considering the options.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I crossed with my star's last two posts, so it doesn't really matter who I vote for now. I hope Sally is a wolf, but considering what I just thought about it wouldn't surprise me if she wasn't

++Rikae

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

True, but at this point think it matters, considering the votes. Unless Wilwa appears and all three of her, you, and I vote for Inzil, Sally's getting lynched regardless. And I'm not even certain I want to vote Inzil! I'm just bothered by Rikae's vote and I'm not even sure why - no, wait, actually, I just thought of something. Inzil was the first person to vote; it wasn't necessarily mandatory that she jump on his vote at that point; I could easily be wrong here, but I don't recall Rikae being overly suspicious of Sally then. Given that Inzil could be wrong, even as a probably-dreamt ordo, why jump on his vote that quickly?

Not that it matters at this point, of course, considering the options.

First time I'm awake for DL, how about that.

Because if seers mean anything at all, Inzil is innocent, and therefore a wrong vote from him would have doomed us already. Because if Inzil is right, we'll be in the same situation toMorrow, and I don't wish to create more confusion.
There is no innocent reason to wait around hoping for something better (as you apparently did).

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Rikae

First time I'm awake for DL, how about that.

Because if seers mean anything at all, Inzil is innocent, and therefore a wrong vote from him would have doomed us already. Because if Inzil is right, we'll be in the same situation toMorrow, and I don't wish to create more confusion.
There is no innocent reason to wait around hoping for something better (as you apparently did).

Gotta wonder if Sally isn't a sacrificial wolf, now, and this is a setup for a win tomorrow. Last post from me tonight, but I wanted to get that put there before DL.