new sub-forum?

[Zigûr]

Originally Posted by tom the eldest

Yikes,the opposition is strong.okay then.if that the members opinion,i will appreciate it

I think the thing is, from a purely practical standpoint there clearly isn't the interest. If people were interested in talking about the games more they would be, but even the thread about the new game died out pretty quickly.

in every new lord of the rings/the hobbit game,theres new content that is unique,and independent from the book or movie(ex:caragors,mountain giant,graugs,etc)

Regarding this, I think people don't discuss this stuff because they're not interested in it, not because they're isn't a space for it. It's Tolkien-related "new content', but it isn't "real" Tolkien. I can appreciate why the situation is different for the films because of their massive cultural presence and the greater overlap between book-readers and film-watchers than between either of those and game-players.

That being said if anyone wants to discuss 'The Battle for Middle-earth' or its sequel (or the Games Workshop toy soldier game) I'd be more than happy to join in. But I think it's clear by observation of the direction and calibre of discussion here that a whole sub-forum would be little more than a domain of cyberspace tumbleweeds and would jar with the tone of the forum as (in my opinion) a place where "Tolkien" is not the commerical enterprise that has spawned such games.

[Tar-Jêx]

Originally Posted by Zigûr

Regarding this, I think people don't discuss this stuff because they're not interested in it, not because they're isn't a space for it. It's Tolkien-related "new content', but it isn't "real" Tolkien. I can appreciate why the situation is different for the films because of their massive cultural presence and the greater overlap between book-readers and film-watchers than between either of those and game-players.

That being said if anyone wants to discuss 'The Battle for Middle-earth' or its sequel (or the Games Workshop toy soldier game) I'd be more than happy to join in. But I think it's clear by observation of the direction and calibre of discussion here that a whole sub-forum would be little more than a domain of cyberspace tumbleweeds and would jar with the tone of the forum as (in my opinion) a place where "Tolkien" is not the commerical enterprise that has spawned such games.

If the 'Tolkien' games do become a bigger thing over the years, then it may be worthy having a sub-sub-forum for it, but at the moment, they aren't that popular, and if they are, like Shadow of Mordor, then it's pretty shallow content with not much to discuss.

Imagine it like this, there are 2 (possibly more) dedicated threads to 'Riddles in the Dark'. We don't need a whole sub forum for that sort of discussion, but just some threads. We could take sort of discussion to 'New Players', but I think we should rename it, because that name isn't particularly indicative of what's there. 'New Players' deserves a sub-forum in that general 'Off topic, but still kind of relevant' sub forum.

[Leaf]

I guess the forum for the movies could be renamed as "Tolkien adaptations" or something similiar. (Video) games, movies and other popcultural adaptations could be discussed there equally.

[Galadriel55]

I don't think there's any need to rename anything. There are threads around dealing with different "adaptations", including threads for a video game and an MMRPG. You can start a thread in the Announcements forum, like the MMRPG thread. That's the usual place for the relevant but not fitting for other forums material (unless it's not very serious in which case it goes in Mirth). Start a discussion. If there is enough interest, create another thread that deals specifically with one aspect of your topic. Why rename a forum, or even start a new forum, if we don't even have a thread yet?

[Tar-Jêx]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

I don't think there's any need to rename anything. There are threads around dealing with different "adaptations", including threads for a video game and an MMRPG. You can start a thread in the Announcements forum, like the MMRPG thread. That's the usual place for the relevant but not fitting for other forums material (unless it's not very serious in which case it goes in Mirth). Start a discussion. If there is enough interest, create another thread that deals specifically with one aspect of your topic. Why rename a forum, or even start a new forum, if we don't even have a thread yet?

I suggest renaming because the current 'New Users' forum has a slightly irrelevant title. I mean, it's a good place for new users to start, but a large number will jump straight into the action with 'Movies' or 'Books'. Considering most of the activity isn't actually from new users, a renaming seems suitable.

[Mithalwen]

The reason that it is novices and newcomers is because the Books forum is in principle, sacrosanct to serious discussionmthat can be supported by textual evidence. Speculative and opinion based topics were moved to N and. N. The name may not be ideal but its existance in the hectic days allowed books to be a haven for the sort of thread that needed reference to HoME and not get swamped by inevitably faster moving lighter topics.

I wouldn't be averse to movies becoming adaptations though as a devotee of the BBC radio versions of both LOTR and the Hobbit.

[Tar-Jêx]

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

The reason that it is novices and newcomers is because the Books forum is in principle, sacrosanct to serious discussionmthat can be supported by textual evidence. Speculative and opinion based topics were moved to N and. N. The name may not be ideal but its existance in the hectic days allowed books to be a haven for the sort of thread that needed reference to HoME and not get swamped by inevitably faster moving lighter topics.

I wouldn't be averse to movies becoming adaptations though as a devotee of the BBC radio versions of both LOTR and the Hobbit.

While I agree that it's good that Books is now solely for the books, I dislike how just random stuff goes in 'Newcomers'. Renaming it to 'General Stuff' or something of the sort would be a much better indicator of what is actually in the forum.