Tol-in-Guarhoth CIX - Ten Year Anniversary Game: Dead Thread

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I just hope all the people gave more arguments why they think X or Y should be checked.

All people meaning whom? Because I've been mostly happy with everybody's arguments, except maybe yours - you're completely obsessed with the phantom and don't want to hear things that point at his innocence.

Anyway,

++Greenie

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

All people meaning whom? Because I've been mostly happy with everybody's arguments, except maybe yours - you're completely obsessed with the phantom and don't want to hear things that point at his innocence.

It would be a major offence to the phantom's capabilities as a player if one should at large deem him automatically innocent just because he hasn't done anything that clearly incriminates him!

"Oh, the phantom looks innocent -well naturally that means he is one because as we all know he's such a lousy player he couldn't pull out even a minor trick, not to say he would be able to convince anyone contrary to his role. He's such an easy one to see through!"

You can't be serious Agan. Things "pointing at his innocence" should really be taken with a pinch, no a tablespoon of salt.

And I also think it would be very good to know his alignment for the future of this Dead Thread and whether we can operate succesfully. I mean it does make a difference whether you know he's on your side or not - mind you, also knowing he is an innocent would be a big deal to know. Not so much to the living perhaps, but to us here. If we wish to have things in any kind of order here I think tp is the key to that.

But as I've said, I'm still open for checking Greenie and will be okay with you checking me (even if I don't suggest it as the value of that information would be smallish - and of coure because I know it already so it doesn't help me).

The main thing being we check someone and not end up in a tie of any sort.

[A Little Green]

If you guys want to check me feel free to do so, though I think checking Nog has the potential of telling us more. Anyway it's nearing bedtime for me so

++ Nogrod

[Nogrod]

If the phantom is a wolf, you Greenie just gave him the keys to make sure we do not check him.

Just saying.

(Will be off for a while but come back in time to vote.)

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

My internet is down and I only have mobile access.

++A Little Green

[Aganzir]

I'm reading Mr FBI's posts. Things that might imply he's the seer:

• Talks about the Seer incessantly on DAY 1. I don't know if this means anything, but always says Seer, never uses a personal pronoun.
• How is this what happened? Did he a) spot my hints and think the phantom was trying to protect me, b) count on phantom spotting the FBI, c) see another possible gifted hint that we haven't talked about?

  When he's an ordo, if he thinks he knows who is gifted he'll hang a large "KILL ME" sign and in that way try to protect the gifteds from the wolf-kill. That's pretty much what happened yesterday.

• Explicitly says "I don't think they were the Seer" about: phantom, Rune, Nog

And I may be reading too much into everything that's about me, but his poetic "You're a goner, tip your hat" post to me - and bringing up our old dance - looked like there was more to it between the lines. Before I think about this further? Because it happens that he's the seer who dreamed of me, this could be interpreted as giving me the green light for a false seer reveal. (Under other circumstances I would definitely have done a false gifted reveal to attract the wolves rather than the lynch mob, but this extent of sleep deprivation seriously impairs my reasoning and judgement.)

Potentially interesting quotes if Boro is the seer:

• The most likely wolf, of the 3 dead, I think is Nogrod and I would love for the Dead to check him tonight, but that's choice isn't up to me.

• I saw Lommy's side of the argument with Agan, so that made me suspicious of Agan

• It was Morm who first pointed out Agan's slip, and Lommy went with Agan's reaction to morm as the most suspicious thing she found on Day 1. So, I think it would implicate morm more as a possible pack mate than Lommy. (That is, mormwolf trying to point something out and be helpful, but not expecting much to come of it)

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

I'm reading Mr FBI's posts. Things that might imply he's the seer:[LIST][*]Talks about the Seer incessantly on DAY 1.[*]

Interesting game-style choice for a real seer...

[Nogrod]

Okay. I think it's hooray, but I still nag we had better options... *grumpy*

[the phantom]

Ooo, ooo, it's happening!

Originally Posted by me

Just a funny thought- I dreamt that the WWs and village continued always killing the noisiest folks, Rikae, Boro, Mac, etc... So that the second half of the game was fewer pages than the first day, ha ha.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Ooo, ooo, it's happening!

Hahaha! You know I think we both are natural seers because dead Europeans is also happening!

[the phantom]

If Rune votes Green then it's settled on her. If Rune votes Nog then Nog will probably vote Green and then it would be in my hands.

So why are you holding out, Nog? Are you seriously hoping to convince Rune to check me?

Anyway, I'm still suspicious of Nog's behavior, but for the sake of trusting the Hunter, to make the decision an easy one for Rune, and giving the village the result they are most likely to ask for, I'm going to vote-

++Little Green

Whatever you do, Rune, do not vote for Nog, because then he could just leave the score tied and give us no result if he wanted. Also don't vote for yourself, Agan, or me because then Nog could forge a tie that way.

[the phantom]

What I'm saying here is, any vote other than for Green could result in Nog robbing us of our ability.

[the phantom]

Agan, I don't think I asked you directly--

Did you ever suspect that Nog, like Boro and I, totally had an eye on your possible Giftedness on Day 1 and chose to vote for you because he saw an opportunity to knock off a Gifted?

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Agan, I don't think I asked you directly--

Did you ever suspect that Nog, like Boro and I, totally had an eye on your possible Giftedness on Day 1 and chose to vote for you because he saw an opportunity to knock off a Gifted?

No. It's not impossible but no, I don't think what I said or did - or how I said and did it - is something he'd usually pay attention to.

Nog is being weirdly insistent about phantom again, but it may be related to it being past midnight here.

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Nog

If the phantom is a wolf, you Greenie just gave him the keys to make sure we do not check him.

Just saying.

Be realistic, Nog - checking him wasn't going to happen toNight anyway since basically everyone but you said they want to check one of the two of us instead.

[Nogrod]

Okay. I am getting annoyed, especially with tp hinting I would be the one trying to not give us a vote that has a result - but not then voting for me to find out. If that isn't cheap, then what is?

(Like tp himself caused a tie already yesterDay by conscientiously ignoring particular discussion of the voted person and leaving it to the last minute - and then choosing someone whom I would have to have guessed to hit it correctly - while I made it clear I had one candidate who would have given the extra-vote to the exactly same person (Agan) tp's vote would have given it)

Originally Posted by Agan

Nog is being weirdly insistent about phantom again, but it may be related to it being past midnight here.

a) I am not "weirdly insistent" and can see can come to issues from several angles, but I'm very much flabbergasted you think having an unknown phantom here to steer things is just okay. And b) I've been of that mind consistently Day and Night and night and day (disregarding the clock).

Well. This reminds me of the last Dead Thread game. I was right then alone - and I'm afraid I'm right alone now as well.



My first thought was to vote myself just out of annoyance but then I realised that until Rune comes it is then a tie... I need to hear from Rune first as I'm open to any choice but a tie.

[the phantom]

DAY ONE VOTING

Nilp -> Nilp
Rune -> Formendacil
Mormegil -> Macalaure
Lalaith -> Legate
Kath -> Formendacil 2
Aganzir -> Lommy
Lommy -> Aganzir
Legate -> A Little Green
Nogrod -> Aganzir 2
Form -> Form 3
Mith -> Agan 3
McCaber -> Agan 4
Firefoot -> Gwath
Boro -> Nog
Rikae -> Lommy 2
Mac -> Agan 5
TP -> Nog 2
Lottie -> Nog 3
Eomer -> Nog 4
Shasta -> Nog 5
Sally -> Nog 6

DAY TWO VOTING

Lottie -> morm
Nerwen -> Mac
Greenie -> Agan
Lalaith -> Agan 2
Lommy -> Agan 3
Legate -> Green
Caber -> Agan 4
morm -> Mac 2
Agan -> Green 2
Mac -> Agan 5
Firefoot -> Mac 3
Nilp -> Agan 6
Mith -> Rikae
Rikae -> Green 3
Eomer -> Agan 7
Boro -> Agan 8
Shasta -> Lottie

The following can (tentatively) NOT be grouped as Wolves together--

Kath & Form
Rikae & Lommy
Lottie & Nog
Eomer & Nog
Shasta & Nog
Sally & Nog
Morm & Mac
Firefoot & Mac
Legate & Green

That isn't much for now, but we can build on this list every day, and it might be helpful for finding a pack down the road. As someone pointed out, killing off an entire pack would be quite beneficial because it would reduce the Night kills.