Tol-in-Guarhoth CIX - Ten Year Anniversary Game: Dead Thread

[Rikae]

Lottie is going to be so disappointed to find the seer isn't here.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Lottie is going to be so disappointed to find the seer isn't here.

Unless, of course, the unknown role chose to empower the Seer upon the Seer's death, so that the Seer is allowed two Living dreams per night even after death, on the condition that the results are sent to the player of his choice among the Living and he never sees the results himself. And the power only lasts so long as the unknown remains among the Living, and upon the death of the unknown the Seer entirely loses the ability to dream.

Just saying.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Unless, of course, the unknown role chose to empower the Seer upon the Seer's death, so that the Seer is allowed two Living dreams per night even after death, on the condition that the results are sent to the player of his choice among the Living and he never sees the results himself. And the power only lasts so long as the unknown remains among the Living, and upon the death of the unknown the Seer entirely loses the ability to dream.

Just saying.

Hey, something like that has actually been done before, I remember something like that...

Anyway, I guess empowering Shasta now makes sense. Will wait still for a while in case something unexpected happens...

[Rikae]

And the extra kill?

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Rikae

And the extra kill?

Kuru messing with us.

[the phantom]

Anyway, back at home and ready to return to the reading and fun.

[the phantom]

Okay, so just trying a couple things out... Please build off of and poke holes when necessary to refine...

Scenario:
Boro is Seer
Nerwen and Sally are telling the truth & innocent

LIVING
Seer: Boro
Ranger:
Lover: Sally
Lover:

Innocent: Shasta, Lommy

Wolves: Lottie

Unknown: Form, McCaber, Firefoot, Lalaith, Eomer, Morm, Nilp, Mith, Kath

COMPLICATION: Nerwen could have received the PM and reported it accurately despite being guilty- she felt forced to do it accurately or risk being outed as dishonest.

COMPLICATION: Nerwen is the Seer trying to cast doubt on her Seership.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by the phantom

COMPLICATION: Nerwen could have received the PM and reported it accurately despite being guilty- she felt forced to do it accurately or risk being outed as dishonest.

I was thinking about this and I find it unlikely that she would be a Wolf and receive the PM. If she did, then the question is whether it would be worth it for her to say it aloud: after thinking about it, probably yes - even if Lottie was in her own pack, it would be a 1-for-1 person trade for Nerwen with kind of boosting up her own status with the village. (Her other option, not telling anything, could potentially endanger both her and Lottie - Lottie because of the dream, her because she tried to hush it up.) But generally speaking, I wouldn't overcomplicate it. If there is a catch in the whole issue, then I'd rather think it's something like Nerwen being a Seer or Lover pretending something complicated.

[Aganzir]

Quick comment on my phone when Lommy isn't looking. Lottie's entire case on Firefoot being a wolf rests on her accurate guess of the wolf kills. But I think assuming that similar players were killed by the same pack is just the most logical conclusion, so I don't think it's actually very incriminating.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Agan

Quick comment on my phone when Lommy isn't looking. Lottie's entire case on Firefoot being a wolf rests on her accurate guess of the wolf kills. But I think assuming that similar players were killed by the same pack is just the most logical conclusion, so I don't think it's actually very incriminating.

Agreed. If everyone on the thread had been asked to pair the night kills at least a couple of people were bound to get it right even without reasoning (based on chance).

[Rikae]

If Nerwen is the seer this is a very risky move with little payoff. Let's hope not.

A traveling special role, I could buy. It fits with what Kuru said about everyone being on their toes.

I'd rather not waste our scry on Mac or Lottie. Legate seems like he has more of a trail than the rest here, so he'd be my preference.

[the phantom]

Also, I'll probably want to take a second look at why Rikae and I were killed. Do we take Lottie at face value about Legate? If so, Nerwen/Mith/Lommy certainly aren't in her pack.

Mac's pack killing me Night 1 would make even more sense if-

Agan, Boro, Sally, & Nilp are all innocent (or at least in the other pack).
and/or
Nogrod and/or Firefoot are also in Mac's pack.

Rikae, what's the best you can say about your own murder?

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Also, I'll probably want to take a second look at why Rikae and I were killed. Do we take Lottie at face value about Legate? If so, Nerwen/Mith/Lommy certainly aren't in her pack.

Mac's pack killing me Night 1 would make even more sense if-

Agan, Boro, Sally, & Nilp are all innocent (or at least in the other pack).
and/or
Nogrod and/or Firefoot are also in Mac's pack.

Rikae, what's the best you can say about your own murder?

I suppose the most likely scenario is that Lottie & her pack found me seerish.

Going on that assumption:

Day 1 I said "Anybody who is suggesting an ordo self-sacrifice toDay (Nilp? Phantom? Lottie?) fie on you."
and made a point of saying I liked tp's ideas "whatever he is"
Argued against lynching people who always look suspicious (I was thinking Rune, McCaber, Shasta... not sure if others were thinking the same)

Day 2
Right off the bat I talk about being somewhat suspicious of Mac & Lommy
Joked about Lommy setting me up.
Voted Lommy. I was going on a hunch. I could see a wolf-Lommy finding the
way I was after her all day seerish.
Still making a point that I liked tp's ideas but didn't necessarily trust him.
"Ugh. I suspected Agan earlier but she's been looking better to me lately. I also definitely don't want Form lynched. And Nog is creating confusion but I suspect it's just sleep deprivation, not evil, to blame.
"
Suggested voting Lommy, Greenie, Mac or tp. Voted Lommy.

Day 3
I first said "that takes care of that" of tp's death, then went to look at the Nogawagon.
Concluded it wasn't to defend Agan.
Suggested it was defending Lommy.
Looked at Lottie and Firefoot. Found Lottie quite suspicious and tried to get others to vote her, unsure of Firefoot.
Voted Greenie as a preferable lynch to Mac or Agan.

So from this alone I could conclude:

Lommy might well be in Lottie's pack.
Rune most likely was not.
Mac most likely was not.

Not sure how that makes sense in light of their interactions at the moment, but yeah.

EDIT: My post #385, at 6:35

Originally Posted by me

Originally Posted by Nogrod
Getting hints from someone's reactions in RL can't always be avoided. But using those reasons then publicly is another thing, and not quite fair - I mean you can't avoid getting things into your mind seeing someone's reactions but in the thread we probably should stick to the written stuff... gah... it's not worth a discussion now.
If you mean me talking about Mac's reactions, I meant his reactions in the thread.
As for Mac & Nilp, that was based on the way they talked about each other in the living thread. I'm not entirely sure anymore what looked wolfish about it, though.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Rikae

I suppose the most likely scenario is that Lottie & her pack found me seerish.

But didn't she deny killing you? She confessed to killing me. So she couldn't have killed you, if she isn't lying (which, of course, she could... I find this whole "now I'm gonna tell you villagers who killed who" very illogical in this game where the main advantage of WWs is that there is no info at all).