Tol-in-Guarhoth CIX - Ten Year Anniversary Game: Dead Thread

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Welcome among the Dead, Lommy and Eomer and Orm the Second

Anyway, good to see Nilp is being productive on the living thread, I especially appreciate he really conveyed the slap-the-Living message in a proper way. Way to go, sir! In any case, I am really really happy he made it out of here, because his chances didn't seem that good... but I trusted him, and lo, love has prevailed!

Well, that's it from me for the time being, the ball is on the Living side... a question to ponder meanwhile; what do we do if they come up with a self-voting scheme? Do we have an idea whom to ditch?

They're thinking about it now- but the situation is different to what it was before Nilp returned, since now the Living know everything we do, and know they do. Also, only *one* of them is a wolf...

[Thinlómien]

Thanks Legate and Lalaith! I feel like I have a lot of dead inside jokes (pun not intended as for now but might be if I read the thread) to catch up with. If I want to...

Can someone summarize quickly? Was Rikae (or someone else dead) the ranger? Is there something else a dead innocent ought/ would want to know?

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Thanks for the cake, Rikae.

I am also leaning to think McCaber is the remaining wolf, but it could also be Mith, given how she suddenly got cold feet over the self-voting thingy. Then again, it was originally her idea and I don't really know why a wolf would make such a daring move. Of course one of her fellows would've still been alive when she said it so it couldn't have backfired on them both... But still.

She's talking sense, actually- I missed it before, but she'd already made the same point I did in my last post (and is thus, self-evidently, a person of the highest intellect).

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

She's talking sense, actually- I missed it before, but she'd already made the same point I did in my last post (and is thus, self-evidently, a person of the highest intellect).

Sorry for the bad phrasing, I didn't mean that it was suspicious to do a little maths and question the self-vote scheme, but rather the way she did it seemed fishy to me. It looked like a wolf panicking. Well, it might well have been an innocent panicking.

[Thinlómien]

Ah don't I love the dead thread I get to wish wash and flip flop as much as I want and no one will hold it against me.

[Lalaith]

6 years and naughty.

Good to hear!

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Thanks Legate and Lalaith! I feel like I have a lot of dead inside jokes (pun not intended as for now but might be if I read the thread) to catch up with. If I want to...

Can someone summarize quickly? Was Rikae (or someone else dead) the ranger? Is there something else a dead innocent ought/ would want to know?

All right.

The Dead
Nog -Ordo (dreamed).
phantom -Ordo (dreamed).
Rune -Unknown, Ordo by elimination (barring some further twist).
Aganzir -Hunter (dreamed).
Greenie -Ordo (scried by Dead).
Legate -Ordo (scried).
Rikae -Ordo (scried).
Mac -Wolf (dreamed)
Lottie -Wolf (dreamed)
Firefoot -Ordo (dreamed)
Lalaith -Wolf (scried).
Nerwen -Seer (self-confessed).
Tweedlemorm -Wolf (dreamed).
Tweedleform -Wolf (dreamed).
Eomer -Ordo (dreamed).
You -Ordo (dreamed).

The Living
Shasta -Ranger (dreamed).
Sally -Lover (self-confessed).
Nilp - Lover (self-confessed).
Boro -Special Role (nature unknown).
Kath -Unknown.
Mith -Unknown.
McCaber - Unknown.

Mac and Lottie are members of the Grip Pack. It appears Form was the third member, though he hasn't officially admitted this yet. Edit: Lottie did- I missed it.

[Thinlómien]

Thank you Nerwen! I would also praise you for winning *fingers crossed* this game for the village but I think you know that. *hugs you anyway* Also very comforting to know that I figured out your dreams pretty efficiently. (This game, I swear, has made me feel SO useless and stupid that it might be unprecedented... )

[Nerwen]

Thanks, Lommy, but read tnrough yesterDay's Dead thread and I believe you'll think better of your contribution.

[Firefoot]

At this point I don't have strong feelings about which of the unknowns is the wolf. Probably will be pretty quiet today but will be around for the vote tonight (we'll see how important our say is, I guess.) And good for Nilp for trying to get some real discussion going on over there.

[Thinlómien]

I start to understand why all the dead I've seen in RL (Agan, Nog and Legate) have been maniacally laughing with their laptops/ smartphones all the time. Dad thread? Mith becoming the phantom? The phantom collecting people's phone numbers? ALSO FYI MAC PENGUINS ARE COOL. (Literally probably, har har.) Rikae's wolf cupcake? Morm banning the innocent from the 'Downs? Lalaith's reminisces of murderous rockhopper penguins?

Nice to have been the village champion. Although genuinely sorry for taking my time to vote! I was worried every Day about the village not giving the dead thread guidelines early enough but I never thought whom the living vote would make such a big deal.

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

I start to understand why all the dead I've seen in RL (Agan, Nog and Legate) have been maniacally laughing with their laptops/ smartphones all the time. Dad thread? Mith becoming the phantom? The phantom collecting people's phone numbers? ALSO FYI MAC PENGUINS ARE COOL. (Literally probably, har har.) Rikae's wolf cupcake? Morm banning the innocent from the 'Downs? Lalaith's reminisces of murderous rockhopper penguins?

Nice to have been the village champion. Although genuinely sorry for taking my time to vote! I was worried every Day about the village not giving the dead thread guidelines early enough but I never thought whom the living vote would make such a big deal.

You're banned too, remember that.

[the phantom]

Super busy today, but I'll check in later. At the very least I can skim and vote.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Ah don't I love the dead thread I get to wish wash and flip flop as much as I want and no one will hold it against me.

Well, that was quick! First you were saying you hated it.

I say we scry her for flip-flopping!

Originally Posted by Boro

And actually if it's the wolf we lynch today than there will only be my kill for one of the other unknowns, and it's all over. If not than I think what a great end it will be to tie the votes on the final day and let the dead decide.

If you lynch the wolf toDay, and the game goes on, we'll know it and know to lynch you, Boro.
If you kill the wolf toNight and the game goes on... we won't know.

Yes, I know he can't hear me.

Anyway, I doubt the game goes on when the last wolf is dead. It behooves Boro to look potentially lynchable.

[Firefoot]

I'm starting to get a bad feeling about Boro. I'm betting right now that he's some variant on the were bear and that he wins it all.

[Loslote]

I'm concerned about Mith. She posts this:

Originally Posted by Mith

I don't think the village has the luxury of lynching Boro on spec. The wolf is only going to pick off known ordos rather than fellow suspects and you can't rely on the ranger picking the right one even if still alive. And you can't deny Boro has been most successful. Couldn't really have been more helpful.. if you want to kill him before you know it is necessary, when there is still a wolf there well you probably deserve to be eaten aux petits oignons...

Immediately after Boro posted this:

Originally Posted by Boro

The only reason I'm not dead yet, is because the lone wolf probably accurately judges they can get me lynched if they paint me as the only big bad evil left and to lynch me (which well, might expose the last wolf ).

And I'm a little worried that she's buddying up to Boro in the hopes that Boro chooses to Night kill Kath instead of her, opening up the door for her to pull a wolf victory out of the bag.

[Macalaure]

I have to admit, I don't really care whether the village or the remaining wolf wins.

The one thing I care about is Boro: Whoever proposes bringing him down has my full support.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Thanks, Lommy, but read tnrough yesterDay's Dead thread and I believe you'll think better of your contribution.

And now you can also ready through the Dead Thread like two Days ago and you'll think again much less of your contribution But if you thought yesterDay was funny, the previous ones were even worse, I'd say...

Originally Posted by Firefoot

I'm starting to get a bad feeling about Boro. I'm betting right now that he's some variant on the were bear and that he wins it all.

I am wondering. Because what if he really is a Wolf? Or in any case, even if he is a bear, he's got a good start. They should certainly lynch him at some point. It is dangerous, because if he is a Bear and they can have two kills per Night, he can easily make it so that he would win. Mesa not like this.

Any ideas whose vote should we empower, now that some are already there?

[Nogrod]

Or if there are baddie-lovers? Like one wolf had one bear-kind-of-a-lover outsider to the pack? Aka. Boro?

Or be it Mith while Boro is actually the wolf posing in her role?

Or...

I'm kind of happy the game didn't end this Morning - but being still this far in darkness is also quite annoying even if we have already five wolves packed.


And welcome from my part as well: Lommy, Eomer and Form! Enjoy your stay as long as it lasts.

[Nogrod]

Also Mith and Boro voting together for McCaber like from a shared deal looks a bit fishy. Or am I just too taken with my new theory?

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Nog

Also Mith and Boro voting together for McCaber like from a shared deal looks a bit fishy. Or am I just too taken with my new theory?

It's an interesting theory, don't worry. Anyway yes, I wondered about their deal. Mith looks somewhat fishy, but then, I always think that so I don't know how much I should be trusted in this! Especially as I'm in my typical paranoid endgame state where I suspect everything that moves.

Anyway, Nilp's scheme was

Originally Posted by Nilp

If Rikae is innocent, give your vote to Shasta, Mithalwen or McCaber.

If Rikae, by some chance, is a wolf, give your vote to Sally, Nilp, or Kath.

Do we go by this? They're obviously not self-voting toDay so in that sense there's less pressure on us (which is just as well considering that we have five wolves here, and a majority of the Europeans are innocent). Shasta hasn't voted yet, and Mith and McCaber voted for each other. If it comes to us picking which one we want dead, do you guys have any ideas on who we should go for?

[A Little Green]

I'll be around for an hour or two longer, but after that it's definitely bedtime for me. We have 11 innocents and 5 wolves here, right? Out of these, I don't think Rune will turn up to vote. If he doesn't, it's 10-5. Basically unless we spread the votes outrageously (like, equally between the three on Nilp's list or something as silly as that), the wolves can't jeopardise the vote. Still, unless we have a clear-ish idea of what we're doing I might have to abstain just in case.

[A Little Green]

Also, random unrelated question - Tweedlemorm, did you do this on purpose?

Originally Posted by morm, Day 1, talking about the special role

That role has made me think though I imagine it is to help us as I think Kuru felt the balance might have been too much in the favor of the wolves at this point.

You offhandedly saying the balance was in favour of the wolves had me thinking you had to be innocent for days!

[A Little Green]

Where is everyone? This place is silent as the grave.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Do we go by this? They're obviously not self-voting toDay so in that sense there's less pressure on us (which is just as well considering that we have five wolves here, and a majority of the Europeans are innocent). Shasta hasn't voted yet, and Mith and McCaber voted for each other. If it comes to us picking which one we want dead, do you guys have any ideas on who we should go for?

I think the last question is the one it comes down to. Yes, I think we could follow Nilp's scheme - I don't see why not - and we could vote for one of Shasta, Mith or Cab. Two of those voted already.

Now the question being, whom do we rather want lynched. I have also become somewhat paranoid of Mith now, but it seems like such a random turnover (a moment ago she was willing to let herself be modfired), that rationally, I would be really surprised if she turned out to be a Wolf. Or then she is being hyper-super-clever and it was all an act. Which would really have to be absolutely hyper-super-über-clever.

Cab kind of seems like the "default" Wolf, even though I didn't suspect him earlier in the game very much, he seemed okay. Maybe I could try to do a reread, not sure if I am up to that in very short time, though.

Let's also see if some more votes appear for different people on the Living thread, though I do not expect it much...

[A Little Green]

I'm dead tired (har har) and need to get to bed soon. Unless something dramatic happens I'm going to give my empowerment vote to Mith as McCaber seems like a more likely wolf to me at this point. Empowering Mr. Ranger would be appealing otherwise but since he hasn't voted yet I think it's too much of a wild card. I'm open to opposing arguments for the next 10-15 minutes if you guys have any!

[Aganzir]

++Mith

Falling asleep.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I don't see a problem there, I think. Mith's last post seems kinda decent... I just hope we don't have any weird "Boroisheretokilleveryone" scenario, but I guess there is still time for that. I hope.

I just don't understand why at this point he can't state some clear thing... such as "I can't kill people anymore" or "I won't kill people any more" or... whatever.

[Formendacil]

A sulkish Form sits in a corner and licks his ghostly wounds. He predicted he wouldn't have QUITE enough time to commit to a proper game and is irked at having squandered a magnificent Day 1. Also, his pack is all dead and the malaise of being on the only team definitely eliminated from contention is wearing on him such that he shall now speak only in third person.

[Nogrod]

Fishy-fishy-fishy-fissshhh!

Find the Fish!

Now where can that fish be? It is a most elusive fish!

[A Little Green]

++Mith

If something comes up, there should still be enough innocents to override Agan and me. Also, Nog is apparently sleeping with the fishes!

[Aganzir]

Cheer up, Form! Here's a little something for you and morm.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Kuru

Weirdly, the first noticable thing was that the incessant scratching had finally ceased. Joyful day!

What is the meaning of this? That Boro has lost his powers - I think he boasted of getting rid of three werewolves - and there were three scratches in one narration - scratch-scratch-scratch.

What would it then mean as to him - and well everyone? But I'm afraid we can't deduce that and it would be even pretty hard to guess - so maybe we then just ignore him toDay unless there is more knowledge?

Like Legate said, McCaber might look a bit more like a generic wolf, but I'm somewhat more worried about Mith - all her super-activity staying up late and whatnot.

But our voting then?

Should we try to tell them about Rikae (will that give them any clues good enough?) or do we just try to affect the lynch (it might be a close one this time so it might have an effect)?

I'd kind of like to not empower anyone, but with five wolves sitting here idle I'm not too optimistic we could arrange it even if we wished - so basically if we want to vote someone and mean something with it, then we'd have to come up with some decent ideas fairly soon.

[Nogrod]

Okay. Two votes already for Mith.

I'm not sure I like it, but I can live with it.


EDIT: Sorry: I can be dead with it. Naturally.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

What is the meaning of this? That Boro has lost his powers - I think he boasted of getting rid of three werewolves - and there were three scratches in one narration - scratch-scratch-scratch.

I had forgotten about it. Yes, it looks a bit like that. Who knows... I just hope he isn't something Cursed that turns into a Wolf when the rest of the Wolves die or somesuch (we had similar thing in some earlier game, didn't we?). But anyway, for now... I think we should just wait for what happens in the Night. If anything.

Like Legate said, McCaber might look a bit more like a generic wolf, but I'm somewhat more worried about Mith - all her super-activity staying up late and whatnot.

Ha! The last thing is actually a good point. Even though of course, she is two timezones behind us, might not have been that late for her usually... and of course depends what kind of daily time she usually reserves to WW, maybe the evenings are just a nice moment... but hmm.

Should we try to tell them about Rikae (will that give them any clues good enough?) or do we just try to affect the lynch (it might be a close one this time so it might have an effect)?

I'd kind of like to not empower anyone, but with five wolves sitting here idle I'm not too optimistic we could arrange it even if we wished - so basically if we want to vote someone and mean something with it, then we'd have to come up with some decent ideas fairly soon.

It is effectively probably not necessary even to tell them. I mean, they can just assume that she was innocent: they could assume we'd have told them if there was something important. But I stand behind my original statement: the best is to try to convey both, i.e. empower and tell about Rikae at the same time. That means empowering Shasta, Mith or Cab.

And until Shasta votes, and given that we have two votes for Mith already, I could really go with that and empower Mith for now. And see what happens toMorrow (hopefully, nothing anymore, and Cab will turn out to be a Wolf!).

[Rikae]

At any rate, let's not give our vote to Nilp, Kath or Sally and risk them getting the idea that I'm a wolf (and therefore, that Boro is evil).

I'm fine with Mith.

EDIT:
My future post #1430

Originally Posted by me

What on earth is Sally thinking? Shaking my head over here...

MY future post #1443

Originally Posted by me

No need to wait for me. As far as I'm concerned, Sally's talking nonsense. McC is as good a candidate as any, and if Mith is a wolf, she can be dealt with in turn.
She didn't chicken out of being modfired, she used her vote to try to lynch a wolf, as an ordo should.

++Mith
________________

[Nogrod]

Just posting Nilp's suggestion to this page as well...

Originally Posted by Nilp

If Rikae is innocent, give your vote to Shasta, Mithalwen or McCaber.

If Rikae, by some chance, is a wolf, give your vote to Sally, Nilp, or Kath.

If we are at loss as to what to do we might vote for any of the trio Shasta, Mith & McCaber.

If the wolf hasn't thought of it already, I wouldn't like to empower Shasta to draw the light on him. Of the other two, well Mith already has two...


If it is going to be a race for lynch between Mith and McCaber I'm not sure if I'm having strong feelings either way.


Anyway. Whomever unknown they lynch and s/he is not the wolf, there will most probably be two unknowns left (of which the other is a wolf) + two from the group (Shasta, Sally, Boro) - unless Shasta makes a save either on an attack to himself or to, well Sally (I doubt he will be covering Boro... ).

So it is perfectly winnable for the village - unless Boro has some such powers we can't foresee.

[Nogrod]

We seem to be thinking of the same things at the same time...

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

I had forgotten about it. Yes, it looks a bit like that. Who knows... I just hope he isn't something Cursed that turns into a Wolf when the rest of the Wolves die or somesuch (we had similar thing in some earlier game, didn't we?).

That would explain his secrecy and continuous talk how he is on the villagers' side "for the time being" and will promise to "hunt the wolves first"...

So does this all come down to when the last villagers understand it is time to get rid of Boro?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

That would explain his secrecy and continuous talk how he is on the villagers' side "for the time being" and will promise to "hunt the wolves first"...

So does this all come down to when the last villagers understand it is time to get rid of Boro?

Possibly. But in any case, not yet. I think it will really come down to it toMorrow.

For now, as you said, I have no strong preferences either way. If two people already voted to empower Mith, I could also vote for that, just so that we do not spread our vote around. Although the best would be if I could still see a couple of votes from the Living before it, so that we can be sure we are not causing some trouble with that (e.g. a vote tie...)