Hard Winters Planning/Discussion Thread

[Folwren]

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Being a git? If he was anything like his baby brother

Well, naturally. I was wondering more specifically....WHICH crime was it that caused him to be disinherited?

[Galadriel55]

Wasn't it just part of healing the rift between old and new Scarburgians? I think Athanar told Eodwine that if the yet unborn child is a boy then he will inherit the Eorlship. Not sure if there is a specific crime that catalyzed the decision.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Wasn't it just part of healing the rift between old and new Scarburgians? I think Athanar told Eodwine that if the yet unborn child is a boy then he will inherit the Eorlship. Not sure if there is a specific crime that catalyzed the decision.

Yes, it was the thing that Athanar was the eorl at that point, and so his firstborn son would be the one expected to become the eorl after him, but Athanar chose to instead pass Scarburg on to Eodwine's child if it is a boy. If you think about it from Wulfric's (and Wilheard's) point of view, it was really awful shock.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Yes, it was the thing that Athanar was the eorl at that point, and so his firstborn son would be the one expected to become the eorl after him, but Athanar chose to instead pass Scarburg on to Eodwine's child if it is a boy. If you think about it from Wulfric's (and Wilheard's) point of view, it was really awful shock.

Yup, this exactly. It doesn't really count as disinheriting per se, but that's how Wulfric saw it and so that's what Wilheard thinks too. (Fun fact - I think Wulfric, had he not died tragically young and foolish, would have become a decent man and a good leader, he had those qualities in him even back then. Wilheard, I'm not so sure. A decent man, maybe one day, but he's not cut out to be a leader.)

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Does Wilheard think Elfthain is a peasant (which could make things interesting) or did that mean Javan and Leof etc?

Well you know, I actually wasn't thinking very much at all when I wrote that line. Wilheard would consider anyone under of lower birth than him a peasant - which is funny, because he's not really a snob out of all things, I think his older brother must've just drilled some kind of sense of hierarchy into him - but I was just rereading Elfthain's bio and I don't think he's really much more of a peasant than Wilheard himself. So, I don't know - how does Elfthain carry himself? I noticed he has the courteous demeanor of someone well bred, but how are his clothes and equipment, how fancy? And does he mention his family much? Ie. do you think it would be plausible for someone who's not particularly observant about people (plus currently probably even less so bc some sort of ptsd/depression) to consider him a "peasant"?

[Folwren]

Ah, I see. I remember the part that this all happened in. It makes more sense than an actually disinheriting did. Thanks.

[Mithalwen]

Hmm yes but for that to happen it would have to be that Wilheard hadn't registered that Elfthain is Elwin's nephew as well as esquire. Elwin is too ambitious and prominent not to be noticed but Elfthain is diffident and too young to probably have crossed paths much with Wilheard in Edoras society. From what I have gathered of Wilheard's mama, she would no doubt know but it could easily have passed a self centred young man by especially if Elfthain has been in standard issue uniform for the journey. His personal gear is good quality but not flashy. He won't make a big deal of his background because he has never had to... but if the right buttons were pressed he could get a bit patrician I think..

[Mithalwen]

There, Javan has slightly freaked out Elfthain who is still talking too much - and I have given a bit more of his background. Though he hasn't so if wilheard takes him at face value as an unkempt common-or-garden shield bearer on a shaggy garron it could be amusing at some point.