Hard Winters Planning/Discussion Thread - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Thinlómien · 07-21-2015, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Yes, it was the thing that Athanar was the eorl at that point, and so his firstborn son would be the one expected to become the eorl after him, but Athanar chose to instead pass Scarburg on to Eodwine's child if it is a boy. If you think about it from Wulfric's (and Wilheard's) point of view, it was really awful shock.

Yup, this exactly. It doesn't really count as disinheriting per se, but that's how Wulfric saw it and so that's what Wilheard thinks too. (Fun fact - I think Wulfric, had he not died tragically young and foolish, would have become a decent man and a good leader, he had those qualities in him even back then. Wilheard, I'm not so sure. A decent man, maybe one day, but he's not cut out to be a leader.)

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Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Does Wilheard think Elfthain is a peasant (which could make things interesting) or did that mean Javan and Leof etc?

Well you know, I actually wasn't thinking very much at all when I wrote that line. Wilheard would consider anyone under of lower birth than him a peasant - which is funny, because he's not really a snob out of all things, I think his older brother must've just drilled some kind of sense of hierarchy into him - but I was just rereading Elfthain's bio and I don't think he's really much more of a peasant than Wilheard himself. So, I don't know - how does Elfthain carry himself? I noticed he has the courteous demeanor of someone well bred, but how are his clothes and equipment, how fancy? And does he mention his family much? Ie. do you think it would be plausible for someone who's not particularly observant about people (plus currently probably even less so bc some sort of ptsd/depression) to consider him a "peasant"?

Folwren · 07-21-2015, 11:57 AM

Ah, I see. I remember the part that this all happened in. It makes more sense than an actually disinheriting did. Thanks.

Mithalwen · 07-21-2015, 12:07 PM

Hmm yes but for that to happen it would have to be that Wilheard hadn't registered that Elfthain is Elwin's nephew as well as esquire. Elwin is too ambitious and prominent not to be noticed but Elfthain is diffident and too young to probably have crossed paths much with Wilheard in Edoras society. From what I have gathered of Wilheard's mama, she would no doubt know but it could easily have passed a self centred young man by especially if Elfthain has been in standard issue uniform for the journey. His personal gear is good quality but not flashy. He won't make a big deal of his background because he has never had to... but if the right buttons were pressed he could get a bit patrician I think..

Mithalwen · 07-22-2015, 04:16 PM

There, Javan has slightly freaked out Elfthain who is still talking too much - and I have given a bit more of his background. Though he hasn't so if wilheard takes him at face value as an unkempt common-or-garden shield bearer on a shaggy garron it could be amusing at some point.

Folwren · 07-22-2015, 09:35 PM

Ha! Sorry about that, Mith.

I was more trying to set him at his ease.

So, what all has to be accomplished for this day before we move along?

Mithalwen · 07-22-2015, 10:41 PM

It worked fine. He is just worried he is going to be billed as Elfthain and his amazing performing horse on the strength of a couple of simple tricks.

Nothing that needs to be done "on camera" from my POV. Obviously Elfthain will need to clean his tack, remove his other gear from the tackroom and find somewhere to lay his weary head but all that can ber referred to. In an ideal world he would make himself useful and learn how not to talk in speeches but baby steps...

He has a LOT of grooming to do tomorrow...

Legate of Amon Lanc · 07-23-2015, 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Folwren

So, what all has to be accomplished for this day before we move along?

I wanted to ask the same question - it seems like the basic setup and arrival stuff is getting wrapped up quite nicely. So maybe, do we want to slowly make some shorter timejump - of course after all dialogues in-progress are finished (I guess especially Scyld-Rowenna, possibly Eodwine, mostly?). We could then do several things: since it's what, late-ish afternoon? Either wrap up the whole day and everyone could basically write what their character has been doing for the rest of the time, or then we could jump for example to everyone getting/sitting at the meal and stop at that for more detail; that would obviously be nicer if people wanted to use it for interacting, but only if they wanted to use it for interacting - it probably won't be that much fun describing how one's munching a porridge and looking around; that can be done equally well in a sum-up post of the whole day. Then, I guess, more organising can be done later.

Firefoot · 07-23-2015, 06:01 AM

I think Scyld and Rowenna are sort of wrapping up here (at least, Rowenna seems eager to escape the can of worms she opened). I'd be fine with moving the timeline along, unless anyone really wants to write about dinner. My vote would be for something in the 2 week range (at least 1, since it'll take Cerwyn that long to get to Scarburg and I'd like to start writing her at the Hall).

Additionally, Scyld is going to need to get up the nerve to give his letter to Eodwine, but he's also going to need to feel like Eodwine's in good enough shape to deal with it... I've toyed with the idea of Scyld speaking to Saeryn and/or Thornden about Eodwine's state first. I guess it depends on how Eodwine seems to be progressing in the time lapse.

07-21-2015, 11:57 AM	#2
Folwren Messenger of Hope Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a tiny, insignificant little town in one of the many States. Posts: 5,076	Ah, I see. I remember the part that this all happened in. It makes more sense than an actually disinheriting did. Thanks. __________________ A young man who wishes to remain a sound atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. - C.S. Lewis

07-21-2015, 12:07 PM	#3
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	Hmm yes but for that to happen it would have to be that Wilheard hadn't registered that Elfthain is Elwin's nephew as well as esquire. Elwin is too ambitious and prominent not to be noticed but Elfthain is diffident and too young to probably have crossed paths much with Wilheard in Edoras society. From what I have gathered of Wilheard's mama, she would no doubt know but it could easily have passed a self centred young man by especially if Elfthain has been in standard issue uniform for the journey. His personal gear is good quality but not flashy. He won't make a big deal of his background because he has never had to... but if the right buttons were pressed he could get a bit patrician I think.. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

07-22-2015, 04:16 PM	#4
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	There, Javan has slightly freaked out Elfthain who is still talking too much - and I have given a bit more of his background. Though he hasn't so if wilheard takes him at face value as an unkempt common-or-garden shield bearer on a shaggy garron it could be amusing at some point. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace Last edited by Mithalwen; 07-22-2015 at 04:38 PM.

07-22-2015, 09:35 PM	#5
Folwren Messenger of Hope Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a tiny, insignificant little town in one of the many States. Posts: 5,076	Ha! Sorry about that, Mith. I was more trying to set him at his ease. So, what all has to be accomplished for this day before we move along? __________________ A young man who wishes to remain a sound atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. - C.S. Lewis

07-22-2015, 10:41 PM	#6
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	It worked fine. He is just worried he is going to be billed as Elfthain and his amazing performing horse on the strength of a couple of simple tricks. Nothing that needs to be done "on camera" from my POV. Obviously Elfthain will need to clean his tack, remove his other gear from the tackroom and find somewhere to lay his weary head but all that can ber referred to. In an ideal world he would make himself useful and learn how not to talk in speeches but baby steps... He has a LOT of grooming to do tomorrow... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace Last edited by Mithalwen; 07-22-2015 at 10:55 PM.

07-23-2015, 06:01 AM	#8
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	I think Scyld and Rowenna are sort of wrapping up here (at least, Rowenna seems eager to escape the can of worms she opened). I'd be fine with moving the timeline along, unless anyone really wants to write about dinner. My vote would be for something in the 2 week range (at least 1, since it'll take Cerwyn that long to get to Scarburg and I'd like to start writing her at the Hall). Additionally, Scyld is going to need to get up the nerve to give his letter to Eodwine, but he's also going to need to feel like Eodwine's in good enough shape to deal with it... I've toyed with the idea of Scyld speaking to Saeryn and/or Thornden about Eodwine's state first. I guess it depends on how Eodwine seems to be progressing in the time lapse.