Werewolf CX: Insert Title Here - the game thread

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by A Little Green, re: Rikae and Eomer

Sally is too experienced a player not to know that spats like that are as often between two innocents as involving also a wolf. That she would use it as an argument against someone makes me raise an eyebrow.

But in a village this small, the odds are fairly high that any given spat would involve a wolf; after all, over a quarter of our number were wolves. More to the point, I've seen Rikae get in numerous arguments before, and this is the way a wolf Rikae often acts. (A bit more on this shortly.)

Speaking of which....

Originally Posted by Rikae

I'm really confused by Sally's behavior, but I'm inclined to think it's more innocentishly weird than wolfishly weird.

Well, that's an abrupt change of attitude. A nice one, I'll admit, but still abrupt.

I'm going over Rikae's posts with a comb and intend to have better luck than certain characters in a certain Mel Brooks film.

So what I'm saying here is....

I will go through Rikae's posts
She's the one I suspect most
And when I've come back with dirt
From the noose her neck will hurt
But for now I'll sing with glee
And survive this....hopefully

(I'm judging myself.)

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Well, that's an abrupt change of attitude. A nice one, I'll admit, but still abrupt.

How so?

[Nerwen]

Here and reading.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, it would be nice to hang around and read more (if anything more comes anytimes soon), but I really have to go to sleep; also my internet is acting up, so it might take a while (like posting this also took already).

I am going before half past. If anyone can post more before that, please do so.

I am right now inclined to vote Lommy.

Now last Rikae's post again made me think he has a bit wishy-washy attitude to those things he presents. I guess toMorrow, if I am around and if he is around, he should be looked at. (Or even if I am not, in fact.) But that's all hoping that we are going to have the luxury toMorrow to actually go for the last Wolf. We can always hope, right?

Btw, saying this also in case I am not around toMorrow anymore, if Kath survives the Night, or somesuch, it is also a thing worth considering that she might be one of the culprits - as she would be the next logical choice for a no-trace kill, methinks (or, for a person who does not have value for the WWs to keep around, because she is not really drawing any suspicion to herself, because she isn't practically around).

That said, gotta check if somebody posted meanwhile and then vote and sleep. Whoops, what did I say about half past. Anyway. Ten minutes max.

[satansaloser2005]

So sorry! Had something come up briefly and the post wasn't quite yet post-worthy at the time.

Originally Posted by Rikae

Interesting. To me, Legate's been giving off more "pretending to be helpful" and "making a show of thinking like an innocent" vibes than Inzil has. Perhaps that in itself should make me suspect Inzil, since I normally seem to think he looks wolfy as pie. Or something.

EDIT: X'd with Inzil.

Here Rikae seems to suspect Legate of putting on a show of innocence. However, after this mention of Legate looking like he's acting innocent, there's not much note taken of him.

Originally Posted by Rikae

I'm really sorry, folks. I lost track of time, and remembered the deadline five minutes after it had passed. It's probably for the best, though, since I was leaning toward voting for Legate.

As for Legate, I'm going to tentatively put him in the "ordo" category. A wolf wouldn't have felt the need to bus Inzil like that at that point.

Greenie is another matter. Her original suspicion of Inzil seemed to come out of the blue and actually looked rather flimsy to me at the time. Sure, it could be a stroke of genius, or just a lucky hunch, but it could also be wolf-on-wolf that got out of hand.

The only other thing that comes to mind about yesterDay, off the top of my head, is that Eomer's safe vote at the end of the day bugged me. Still, I'm going to have to read through everything once more when I get the chance.

We see here a nice Legate 180 (TM), but in this case it's about him, not from him. He went from acting innocent to the person Rikae would have voted to suddenly in ordo territory.

This is also the only real mention of Eomer, and it's more of an afterthought. This is relevant because at the start of toDay, Rikae claims to have suspected him all along.

Originally Posted by Rikae

Oh, and Sally: hanging around and joking about crickets, posting songs, but not voting or contributing? Not cool.

Originally Posted by Rikae

I don't find voting people for making random votes very useful either.

Hang on. So people who don't vote are suspicious, people who vote randomly because they don't have a solid suspicion are suspicious, and people who vote people who randomly vote people are suspicious? Who isn't suspicious? You?

Originally Posted by Rikae

There were 4 people who could have voted, but it's highly unlikely they'd all have voted for Kath.

What? I'm calling you furry for acting jumpy. If I thought you might be a gifted, that reaction might even make me back off, but in this game, it only strengthens my suspicion.

In fact...

++Eomer

As I said yesterDay, I found Eomer to be the lesser of two possible evils (although yesterDay I didn't say possible evils, to be fair), and this makes me think it even harder. Eomer didn't get super jumpy until Rikae pushed at him. Rikae, on the other hand, seemed immediately on-guard, upping the tension at the earliest opportunity. Again, this seems like typical wolfish Rikae behavior to me.

Originally Posted by Rikae

So, Sally, is that vote for daring to question Eomer? Or is it for saying your hanging around and not voting was not cool?

And this is clearly baiting me. Although yes, now that you mention it, getting so ruffled over these things, whereas others took calmer paths, seems like the more tense wolf behavior I've seen from you in the past, as opposed to an innocent Rikae, who doesn't bare her teeth unless cornered (which you needn't have been yesterDay had you not drawn so much attention to yourself).

Originally Posted by Rikae

Nothing much to say about it, Legate, except that I suspected Eomer to begin with, and then his aggressive response gave me the impression of a cornered wolf.

I'm really confused by Sally's behavior, but I'm inclined to think it's more innocentishly weird than wolfishly weird. I have to think a wolf would have voted to save herself. She could have been taking the chance that she'd survive and look innocent for just that reason, I suppose (well, it's something I'd do as a wolf), but I don't really think so.

I'd like to look closer at everyone else. Besides Eomer, no one really jumped out at me, although Lommy has been giving off a creepy vibe. Greenie seems reasonable. I haven't gotten any read on Kath and Nerwen - I'll have to look closer at them. Legate has been playing very innocentishly, and I also doubt he would kill Shasta when it would point so strongly back to him.

And here we have a more or less complete reversal of the second post I quoted here. Suddenly Eomer's always been evil, she's treating Legate like an ordo, Greenie is reasonable, and Lommy is creepy. And, despite the mild teeth-baring at me yesterDay, I'm apparently okay as well.

Consistency is key, and it is not something we have here. So the question that needs to be answered here is clear, at least to me.

(I'm sorry. I'm so sorry.)

Who do you suspect and why? Tell us, tell us.
Or are your posts full of lies? Tell us, Rikae, please.
Will you vote for me? Will you pick a fight?
My guess is going toward the second one
With you plotting more in the Night

(Note: The video may be wildly offensive if taken out of context, and possibly even in context. Relevance begins at about 1:15.)

(Another note: Rhymes are hard on no brain and I am lacking in subtlety today. Rikae, darling, please take no offense, as none is intended.)


In other news, though voting Legate would probably be one of the safer options for me toDay, I still don't see him as a threat, certainly not the biggest threat. Much like yesterDay, I'd rather vote for someone I suspect than vote to save my own neck at this point.


Edit: x'd since my last

[Nerwen]

This is something that's troubling me: Rikae (#128) Lommy (#130) Greenie (#133 vote-post), even Legate himself a degree (#127), speak of my beloved's death as something that points straight at Legate, thus either implicating him or suggesting that he's been "framed".

Does that even make sense, given the circumstances? There's no Seer for whom Shasta could have been mistaken, and I don't see that he was going after Legate *that* strongly, such that a Legwolf would need to eliminate him anyway.

[Nerwen]

Some points on Rikae there, Sally (#150). Though you are quoting in a vacuum somewhat- things had happened in between.

[Rikae]

Sally, you explicitly went out with the intention of finding reasons to suspect me (because that's so useful), and the reasons you found are, as far as I can tell:

1) I mildly suspected Legate on day one, and then found him innocentish on day two after he was instrumental in lynching a wolf.

2) I find it suspicious when people (notably, you) deliberately avoid voting.

3) I get angry. I think it's amusing that you imagine it's wolfish behavior, since I can't remember a single game where I haven't. Every time, I tell myself I'll keep my cool, and every time I blow it (which probably makes me a tempting target?)

Oh, and apparently it's good to make up your mind early in this game and never change it, no matter what new information comes to light. Which, I suppose, explains why you're making such a show of doing just that.

I know better than to try to convince you of everything, but I wish you'd stop messing with my radar. We can't afford to go wrong toDay, and I've gone wrong in the past because your posts made so little sense to me I decided they must be evil. I don't want to make that mistake again.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Does that even make sense, given the circumstances? There's no Seer for whom Shasta could have been mistaken, and I don't see that he was going after Legate *that* strongly, such that a Legwolf would need to eliminate him anyway.

I can't speak for anybody else, but I was thinking of Shasta's intuition, which has a very good track record, and in a game without a seer, could sway people.

[Rikae]

At any rate, when I saw Shasta's post it made me slightly more concerned about Legate, and I was waiting to hear what else he'd say about it.

I wish I knew whether Legate would put that kind of stock in Shasta, or realize that I would or anyone else might. I suppose the fact that he mentioned it at all suggests he does.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Rikae

At any rate, when I saw Shasta's post it made me slightly more concerned about Legate, and I was waiting to hear what else he'd say about it.

I wish I knew whether Legate would put that kind of stock in Shasta, or realize that I would or anyone else might. I suppose the fact that he mentioned it at all suggests he does.

I'd be the last person to discount my sun in splendour's psychic abilities, but the hypothesis here is that either the wolves went: "ARRRGH! Shasta's on to Legwolf!" or "Tee hee, everyone will *think* that". And that seems rather wolfy reasoning to me. Except, of course, there's four of you doing it...

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I'd be the last person to discount my sun in splendour's psychic abilities, but the hypothesis here is that either the wolves went: "ARRRGH! Shasta's on to Legwolf!" or "Tee hee, everyone will *think* that". And that seems rather wolfy reasoning to me. Except, of course, there's four of you doing it...

Shasta was quite dramatic about it, after all.

Originally Posted by Shasta

Immediate thought while skimming - Legate is a wolf!

Now to figure out why my brain elected to say that...

and

Originally Posted by Shasta

Hm. I'm not going to be able to post quotes until I get home from work, but for now - post 57, specifically the bit about Lommy; it read to me as "I think she's suspicious, but I don't, but I do."

Now, Lommy herself I could maybe see doing that. But Legate?

Granted, from what I've read this far Legate appears to have been fairly instrumental in the Inzil lynch yesterday, and I know several people seem to have perfectly good reasons to think him innocent at this juncture. I just wanted to get my first impression down. I'll need to do some more reading.

And then

Originally Posted by Shasta

Leave me alone, it's hard to argue with a feeling.

And he voted for him.

Here's what Legate said:

Originally Posted by Legate

I would say that Shasta's death points more than to anything else to the fact that the WWs want to make quiet kills and leave the rest of the village to squabble among themselves, and to let the louder villagers go after each other's throats. Although it should be noted that Shasta actually need not have been very quiet had he actually gotten the chance to appear and post toDay, and in fact, his last minutes he started being quite vocal and I daresay sounding quite a lot like an invested innocent, so that might have been also part of the motivation. He initially suspected and voted me, and raised questions regarding sally, Rikae and Eomer's voting and interactions. Any of these might have played a role (bringing attention of the village to the people in question, or stopping him before he could make up his mind on any of these, etc. It might also have been pure elimination process; such as WWs going through the list of names "we're not killing this one, they could be suspected" and being simply left with Shasta, or somesuch).

He was the first to bring it up, but as one of a long list of possibilities.
I said:

Originally Posted by me

Legate has been playing very innocentishly, and I also doubt he would kill Shasta when it would point so strongly back to him.

Then Lommy said:

Originally Posted by Lommy

Re: Shasta - ??? No trace kill? Legate is a wolf who wanted pressure off his back? The wolves want to frame Legate?

and about Legate's post

Originally Posted by Lommy

The contrast is quite stark with Legate being the second thing that popped into my mind and him downplaying Shasta's accusations of him. (Of course, an innocent would know another villager wasn't killed because he suspected him, but this also looks a bit too much like a wolf explaining away killing someone who was suspecting him.)

And Greenie votes him for it

Originally Posted by Greenie

Too conveniently attempting to guide the village's perception of events in his favour, as in "all Inzil voters likely to be innocent" or downplaying Shasta's suspicions of him and thus his possible connection to the kill.

Now, for my part, I wasn't paying much attention to his list and how he listed it. As soon as I saw the narration I was reminded of the connection and asked myself whether Legwolf would kill Shasta.

What Lommy's saying about him downplaying it, well, I can't call it farfetched, because it was a notable thing Shasta did. Saying he downplayed it, though, as if it pointed directly and straightforwardly at him? That's strange.

Greenie... is either convinced by Lommy's argument, or conveniently latching onto it as an excuse, and I really can't get a feel for which. She's been playing rather cautiously overall, and I can't remember from other games whether or not that's typical for her.

[Rikae]

Day 2...

Originally Posted by Lommy

3) Agan? So the time we don't argue she dies early? Unfair. I can't think of much except that she voted Inzil if I recall correctly.

Odd that she doesn't give any conclusion about that.

Legate speculating about Eomer and Lommy being wolves together, and then Greenie posts some iffy suspicions of Lommy or Legate as packmates of Inzil, here.

Mega-analysis-post by Nerwen, concludes that Eomer is suspicious.

Greenie votes for Legate.

Originally Posted by Kath

As to Inzil, that was an interesting bandwagon. Greenie then Agan then Legate if my reading is right. Now Inzil was bothered by Greenie's vote, saying it felt dodgy. But when push came to shove at the end he switched to saying Legate's vote was worst and attention should be focused that way. Possibly an early wolf on wolf from Greenie to Inzil, and when it took hold Inzil trying to pish suspicion onto Legate to clear Greenie? But really that seems unnecessarily complicated for Day 1!

Ok, this is weird, and I didn't notice it before. Why would Inzilwolf, knowing he was doomed, try to push suspicion onto Legate by suspecting him? It would have the opposite effect, more likely.

And now today, Legate is addressing the possibility of Kath being a wolf in a kind of, well:

Originally Posted by Legate

or that Kath is one Wolf (which would be tragically unfortunate for the village, given her performance)

Like it's a foregone conclusion that we won't lynch Kath, which is odd coming from the guy who was threatening the quiet ones before.

So in conclusion... Greenie and Lommy are both slightly fishy, there's little to go on but Kath is a possibility and, particularly, I could see a connection between her and Legate, which makes me reassess him. Unfortunately I have no read on Nerwen and I still find Sally relatively, well, normal Sally, including the single-minded persecution of me. Seriously, Sally, I think you've done that in every game we've played together.

Oh, and folks... *points to sig* thanks.

Edit: X'd with Legate

[Rikae]

Any chance those of you who haven't voted might be persuaded to go for Lommy or Greenie?

[Nerwen]

I'm thinking about it.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Ok, I totally gotta go and the internet is acting up awfully.

Rikae's way of posting currently begins to be more questionable to me, but that might also be the lack of sleep.

Anyway for now, I have to go with the original idea,

++Lommy

Duh. Good night, village. Vote well, preferrably let's lynch a Wolf. Not that there are many options to vote, anyway, though you can still band up to lynch anyone. Or almost anyone.