Who here thinks that Arwen and Galadriel really didn't need to have such big roles... - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Daewen · 07-18-2002, 07:52 PM

I think that they really didn't have important roles in the books, and they should stick to the basic idea. I mean come on...wheredid that whole "Arwen and Aragorn" love thing thing come in? NOWHERE AT ALL IN THE BOOKS!!!!
Galadriel was hardley mentioned in the books too. It was basically Celeborn who did everything. They shouldn't screw things up like that...

What do you think?

Bulelainwen · 07-18-2002, 08:12 PM

I agree there wouldnt have been much of a difference if they werent in the books

Eruwen · 07-18-2002, 08:12 PM

Well, in the book Galadriel did have a big part. So I don't mind that. But I do think they are putting too much infuses on the whole Arwen thing. I mean, I heard she is supposed to be in the scene with the battle at Helm's Deep. Now there's something wrong with that. I just don't get it. I guess I'll just have to wait to see the movie.

Lothiriel Silmarien · 07-18-2002, 08:19 PM

Eruwen has said exactly what I would have said. Although I think that Galadriel didn't have as big of a part in the movie.

07-18-2002, 10:25 PM

Galadriel gave Frodo the phial which helped Sam defeat Shelob. Her other gifts helped the fellowship as well, so I think she is important. I can't remember what Celeborn did. I agree that Arwen didn't do much in the book, but Aragorn and Arwen's marriage was special in the sense that it reunited the two lines of Aragorn and Arwen's decent.

Nevfeniel · 07-19-2002, 07:08 AM

Can people PLEASE stop nit-picking all the little things about the movie? Sure, it wasn't perfect, but what movie is? You should just be happy with how it is, and remember how lucky you are to have a LotR movie in the first place.

Daewen · 07-19-2002, 07:48 AM

Oh come on. Geeze, we're not "nit-picking" we're just wishing that they would stick to the books.

Nevfeniel · 07-19-2002, 07:57 AM

I'm just tired of hearing, "Arwen shouldn't have rescued Frodo' and 'she shouldn't have been in FotR'. It bugs me. A lot. That's just my personal opinion, of course.

orlandoandsaran · 07-19-2002, 08:45 AM

Yes, yes. Arwen shouldn't have a big part in the movie as i would want to see Glorfindel though he also wasn't a major character....
But Galadriel plays a major role in the whole story.
But I do not really mind that Arwen was in the movie. I mean...like....they will surely show Arwen and Aragorn's wedding...so of course you've got to tell who she is, right?
But what is that thing about the fight at Helm's Deep??!?!!??? [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img]

07-19-2002, 02:25 PM

Say sweety...

don't you agree with me that Aragorn in the movie is just that little extra
nah, I don't really mind his precense.

Maladriel

maleliel · 07-19-2002, 02:30 PM

I agree that Arwen's part was a bit too big and if she's in the battle of Helms Deep then I will scream [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] But I don't think that it has diminished the magic of the books. It could've been a lot worse, they could've completely massacred the books, but they did a good job I reckon!!! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Gimli Son Of Gloin · 07-19-2002, 02:33 PM

She's gonna be at Helm's Deep??!!?? That's-That's- ILLEGAL!

Ravenna · 07-19-2002, 03:48 PM

I hope Arwens' not at Helms deep too! but I can see why they put the love story angle in the first film, it helps to explain things to the non-readers watching, introduces the obligatory 'love story' early on, and I suppose that replacing Glorfindel with Arwen was the easiest (and cheapest) way to do it. Quite frankly I was surprised but delighted that there were so few changes from the original plot, long may it continue.

Arwen Imladris · 07-19-2002, 05:51 PM

I agree with you Nevfeniel. we shouldn't be too bugged with this. Afterall, atlest we have a movie. And I think that most of you would agree that it is better then the animated version.

Neither Galadriel nor Arwen had huge roles in the book, but Arwen has a whole section in the Apendix about her and Aragorn, and I just finished reading the section on Galadriel and Celeborn in UT. They are importent, I think that PJ was trying to get deeper into ME then just LOTR.

Arathiriel · 07-19-2002, 11:32 PM

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I mean come on...where did that
whole "Arwen and Aragorn" love thing thing come in? NOWHERE AT ALL IN THE BOOKS!!!!

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Keep in mind I haven't seen the movie yet but there was a love story angle for Arwen/Aragorn in the books. Sure it really wasn't address until ROTK (especially in one of the appendixes) but it WAS there in the original books... [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

Owain son of Urien · 07-20-2002, 02:13 AM

[img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] There are ALWAYS changes made when a book is brought to the screen. The most important thing is that they stick to the spirit of the book and not change the emphasis; like altering personalities or introducing new main characters [I can live with Lurtz].
Arwen isan important character in the overall story [agreed?]. If the plotline is 're-jigged' a bit [while keeping within the spirit] to make non-fans care more about her, then it's ok. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

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*Varda* · 07-20-2002, 06:15 AM

I don't think many of you actually know what you're talking about when you tell PJ to stick to the books. Do you have any idea how hard that would be? Everyone has a completely different image of Middle Earth and the characters and PJ couldn't possibly live up to every single one. Also, some of the changes he made were probably crucial to getting LotR to the big screen in the first place. If you feel you could have done a better job then do it yourself.

Just be happy we have a LotR movie in the first place and stop nit-picking.

Sangoff · 07-21-2002, 01:53 PM

I have to agree with Varda and Nevfeniel. Everyone should just take the movie for what it is and stop complaining about it.

07-18-2002, 07:52 PM	#1
Daewen Wight Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Stuck inside an Aquafina bottle...HELP! ...seriously, I'm getting claustrophobic Posts: 153	Who here thinks that Arwen and Galadriel really didn't need to have such big roles... I think that they really didn't have important roles in the books, and they should stick to the basic idea. I mean come on...wheredid that whole "Arwen and Aragorn" love thing thing come in? NOWHERE AT ALL IN THE BOOKS!!!! Galadriel was hardley mentioned in the books too. It was basically Celeborn who did everything. They shouldn't screw things up like that... What do you think? __________________ Thrust and the nuns will come. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Do the wave for Boromir the Disco King!

07-18-2002, 08:19 PM	#4
Lothiriel Silmarien Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: New York Posts: 829	Eruwen has said exactly what I would have said. Although I think that Galadriel didn't have as big of a part in the movie. __________________ Si vanwa na Romello vanwa Valimar!~~ ~~Now lost, lost to those from the East is Valimar! My LotR page

07-19-2002, 07:08 AM	#6
Nevfeniel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mithlond Posts: 783	Can people PLEASE stop nit-picking all the little things about the movie? Sure, it wasn't perfect, but what movie is? You should just be happy with how it is, and remember how lucky you are to have a LotR movie in the first place. __________________ Consider the purr a variety of audible tranquilizer. [. . .] For a few of us, there is one more purr, a secret purr. When we combine our secret purrs, we produce the Purr of Power. And that is simply the amplified amity we feel as furred and purred beings.

07-19-2002, 07:48 AM	#7
Daewen Wight Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Stuck inside an Aquafina bottle...HELP! ...seriously, I'm getting claustrophobic Posts: 153	Oh come on. Geeze, we're not "nit-picking" we're just wishing that they would stick to the books. __________________ Thrust and the nuns will come. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Do the wave for Boromir the Disco King!

07-19-2002, 07:57 AM	#8
Nevfeniel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mithlond Posts: 783	I'm just tired of hearing, "Arwen shouldn't have rescued Frodo' and 'she shouldn't have been in FotR'. It bugs me. A lot. That's just my personal opinion, of course. __________________ Consider the purr a variety of audible tranquilizer. [. . .] For a few of us, there is one more purr, a secret purr. When we combine our secret purrs, we produce the Purr of Power. And that is simply the amplified amity we feel as furred and purred beings.

07-18-2002, 08:12 PM	#2
Bulelainwen Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: In a squeaking chair in front of the computer Posts: 40	I agree there wouldnt have been much of a difference if they werent in the books

07-18-2002, 08:12 PM	#3
Eruwen Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 892	Well, in the book Galadriel did have a big part. So I don't mind that. But I do think they are putting too much infuses on the whole Arwen thing. I mean, I heard she is supposed to be in the scene with the battle at Helm's Deep. Now there's something wrong with that. I just don't get it. I guess I'll just have to wait to see the movie.

07-18-2002, 10:25 PM	#5
cassiopeia Guest Posts: n/a	Galadriel gave Frodo the phial which helped Sam defeat Shelob. Her other gifts helped the fellowship as well, so I think she is important. I can't remember what Celeborn did. I agree that Arwen didn't do much in the book, but Aragorn and Arwen's marriage was special in the sense that it reunited the two lines of Aragorn and Arwen's decent.

07-19-2002, 08:45 AM	#9
orlandoandsaran Haunting Spirit Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Greenwood Home Posts: 91	Yes, yes. Arwen shouldn't have a big part in the movie as i would want to see Glorfindel though he also wasn't a major character.... But Galadriel plays a major role in the whole story. But I do not really mind that Arwen was in the movie. I mean...like....they will surely show Arwen and Aragorn's wedding...so of course you've got to tell who she is, right? But what is that thing about the fight at Helm's Deep??!?!!??? [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] __________________ Vor\|otwen Bloom spouse of Orlando Bloom.

07-19-2002, 02:25 PM	#10
Maladriel Guest Posts: n/a	Say sweety... don't you agree with me that Aragorn in the movie is just that little extra nah, I don't really mind his precense. Maladriel

07-19-2002, 02:30 PM	#11
maleliel Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: UK Posts: 38	I agree that Arwen's part was a bit too big and if she's in the battle of Helms Deep then I will scream [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] But I don't think that it has diminished the magic of the books. It could've been a lot worse, they could've completely massacred the books, but they did a good job I reckon!!! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ "Even the smallest person can change the course of the future"

07-19-2002, 02:33 PM	#12
Gimli Son Of Gloin Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Halls of Montezuma, and the Shores of Tripoli Posts: 495	She's gonna be at Helm's Deep??!!?? That's-That's- ILLEGAL! __________________ The Few, the Proud, the Marines.

07-19-2002, 03:48 PM	#13
Ravenna Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: witney, oxfordshire Posts: 70	I hope Arwens' not at Helms deep too! but I can see why they put the love story angle in the first film, it helps to explain things to the non-readers watching, introduces the obligatory 'love story' early on, and I suppose that replacing Glorfindel with Arwen was the easiest (and cheapest) way to do it. Quite frankly I was surprised but delighted that there were so few changes from the original plot, long may it continue.

07-19-2002, 05:51 PM	#14
Arwen Imladris Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a box with a fox Posts: 1,347	I agree with you Nevfeniel. we shouldn't be too bugged with this. Afterall, atlest we have a movie. And I think that most of you would agree that it is better then the animated version. Neither Galadriel nor Arwen had huge roles in the book, but Arwen has a whole section in the Apendix about her and Aragorn, and I just finished reading the section on Galadriel and Celeborn in UT. They are importent, I think that PJ was trying to get deeper into ME then just LOTR. __________________ "Wake up! Wake up! Wake up, sleepies, we must go, yes, we must go at once."

07-20-2002, 02:13 AM	#16
Owain son of Urien Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Glamorganshire, Wales Posts: 21	[img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] There are ALWAYS changes made when a book is brought to the screen. The most important thing is that they stick to the spirit of the book and not change the emphasis; like altering personalities or introducing new main characters [I can live with Lurtz]. Arwen isan important character in the overall story [agreed?]. If the plotline is 're-jigged' a bit [while keeping within the spirit] to make non-fans care more about her, then it's ok. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] [ July 20, 2002: Message edited by: Owain son of Urien ] [ July 20, 2002: Message edited by: Owain son of Urien ]

07-20-2002, 06:15 AM	#17
Varda Maiden of Tears Join Date: May 2002 Location: Valinor. Posts: 571	I don't think many of you actually know what you're talking about when you tell PJ to stick to the books. Do you have any idea how hard that would be? Everyone has a completely different image of Middle Earth and the characters and PJ couldn't possibly live up to every single one. Also, some of the changes he made were probably crucial to getting LotR to the big screen in the first place. If you feel you could have done a better job then do it yourself. Just be happy we have a LotR movie in the first place and stop nit-picking. __________________ 'It must often be so, Sam, when things are in danger: someone has to give them up, lose them, so that others may keep them' ~Frodo "Life is hard. After all, it kills you." - Katharine Hepburn

07-21-2002, 01:53 PM	#18
Sangoff Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: USA Posts: 19	I have to agree with Varda and Nevfeniel. Everyone should just take the movie for what it is and stop complaining about it. __________________ "Well this is the end Sam Gamgee," said a voice by his side. And there was Frodo, pale and worn, and yet himslef again; and in his eyes there was peace now, neither strain of will, nor madness, nor any fear. His burden was taken away. There was the dear master of the sweet days in the Shire. "Master!" cried Sam and fell upon his knees. In all that ruin of the world for the moment he felt only joy, great joy. The burden was gone. His master had been saved; he was himself again, he was free. - RotK