Third Dark Lord, or Melkor's Return? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Barrel-rider · 08-19-2016, 07:58 AM

Well, a new body would make him at least for a while unrecognizable.

Morthoron · 08-19-2016, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Barrel-rider

Well, a new body would make him at least for a while unrecognizable.

Hmmm...Sauron may have been able to fool a few Noldor with his Annatar glam look, but the more percipient Elves figured him out, or at least got such a bad vibe as to turn him away. But if we're talking about the Valar and Maiar, I don't think Morgoth would hoodwink any of them. Besides, if I recollect correctly, I think Morgoth had expended so much of his energy into corrupting Arda that he was no longer able to disguise what he'd become.

Inziladun · 08-19-2016, 09:24 AM

My impression is that Morgoth's return would not be a covert occurrence. Rather, an open, defiant call to all evil beings to join him in conquering the 'pretenders' in Valinor and restoring Arda's rightful ruler to his throne.
At least that's my epic perception of it.

Zigûr · 08-19-2016, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Inziladun

My impression is that Morgoth's return would not be a covert occurrence. Rather, an open, defiant call to all evil beings to join him in conquering the 'pretenders' in Valinor and restoring Arda's rightful ruler to his throne.
At least that's my epic perception of it.

Mine as well. Given that the prophecy is all about him going around destroying heavenly bodies and invading Valinor, I always pictured him returning in dread and majesty, as he had appeared in ancient days.

Ivriniel · 06-03-2017, 12:32 AM

This is my favourite topic. I have taken on board the premise that the Second Prophesy of Mandos was not taken through to Tolkien's death in overt notes. I doubt, however, that he did not have something in mind. The way he was morphing the Tale of Celeborn and Galadriel, was one of his focal points right until the end.

I have two competing renditions of a Remaking and correcting the Marring of Arda

1. the standard: Feanor assists Yavanna in a repentance, gathering up the Jewells in a rekindling.

However, I've a problem. Valar cannot be slain. It's unclear what the point of Tulkas was on about. And the redemptive themes in the House of Hurin. And then there's the Orc's spirits, the Dwarves and a great deal of missing emphases about what the heck happens in the second Making.

2. By Inference. It's a Vanity Inversion theory, in the architecture of *inference*. That is the events in the standard works are seen 'from within Ea' and bound by Vanity of the Valar, Elves and Men and so, interpretations are terribly literal.

I wonder about a heart STEALTH SANCTIONED by Eru and the place of MERCY for Sauron and Melkor and a REWORING of their placement, by reinterpreting the Music of the Ainur.

I'll go into details if anyone shows interest in the materials I can cite to run a parallel view.

08-19-2016, 07:58 AM	#1
Barrel-rider Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: End of the Bag, yet no bag went over me. Posts: 13	In reply to Nerwen Well, a new body would make him at least for a while unrecognizable. __________________ Three rings for the Elven-kings munchin' on rye, Seven for the Dwarf-lords in their nightly drinks alone, nine for Mortal "Men" doomed to cry, one for the Barrel lord on his barrel-y throne in the land of hoarders where the fellows cry.

08-19-2016, 09:24 AM	#3
Inziladun Gruesome Spectre Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Heaven's doorstep Posts: 8,039	My impression is that Morgoth's return would not be a covert occurrence. Rather, an open, defiant call to all evil beings to join him in conquering the 'pretenders' in Valinor and restoring Arda's rightful ruler to his throne. At least that's my epic perception of it. __________________ Music alone proves the existence of God.

06-03-2017, 12:32 AM	#5
Ivriniel Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 430	My Favourite Topic This is my favourite topic. I have taken on board the premise that the Second Prophesy of Mandos was not taken through to Tolkien's death in overt notes. I doubt, however, that he did not have something in mind. The way he was morphing the Tale of Celeborn and Galadriel, was one of his focal points right until the end. I have two competing renditions of a Remaking and correcting the Marring of Arda 1. the standard: Feanor assists Yavanna in a repentance, gathering up the Jewells in a rekindling. However, I've a problem. Valar cannot be slain. It's unclear what the point of Tulkas was on about. And the redemptive themes in the House of Hurin. And then there's the Orc's spirits, the Dwarves and a great deal of missing emphases about what the heck happens in the second Making. 2. By Inference. It's a Vanity Inversion theory, in the architecture of inference. That is the events in the standard works are seen 'from within Ea' and bound by Vanity of the Valar, Elves and Men and so, interpretations are terribly literal. I wonder about a heart STEALTH SANCTIONED by Eru and the place of MERCY for Sauron and Melkor and a REWORING of their placement, by reinterpreting the Music of the Ainur. I'll go into details if anyone shows interest in the materials I can cite to run a parallel view. __________________ A call to my lost pals. Dine, Orcy_The_Green_Wonder, Droga, Lady Rolindin. Gellion, Thasis, Tenzhi. I was Silmarien Aldalome. Candlekeep. WotC. Can anyone help?