Werewolf CXI - The Black Breath Ward - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Shastanis Althreduin · 10-27-2016, 04:23 PM

Okay, I'm going to go on record here as being the dissenting voice as far as no-lynches go; I've never been a fan, to be honest. Lynching is the only tool we have, mechanically, to win the game; it's always seemed counter-intuitive to me to intentionally disarm ourselves in such a way.

This game is fairly different than a normal werewolf game, though, theoretically, and I haven't dissected the numbers as much as some others have, so if it's the will of the majority that we decide not to lynch today, I'll go with it. I suppose it's a bit late in the day anyway, considering no one's suspected anyone else.

But I don't like it.

Shastanis Althreduin · 10-27-2016, 04:25 PM

Oh, and for the Finns that have to vote soon - I think I'd prefer Lottie as representative myself, honestly. That's where I'm leaning, anyway.

Inziladun · 10-27-2016, 04:33 PM

I'll go with the majority on whether the rep should send a name.

Like I said before, I'm usually of a mind with Shasta in that not voting helps the baddies. This game does have its quirks that skew my feelings a bit though.

If Legate has some nebulous misgivings about me, I would say I reciprocate. It's mainly a feel, though I didn't (don't) agree with him that those receiving notice they're afflicted by the Breath should say so (see my earlier).

x/d with Kuru, Lommy, and Lottie

Inziladun · 10-27-2016, 04:37 PM

++Kuru

Because he seems to have been around enough to know people's thoughts.

Shastanis Althreduin · 10-27-2016, 04:40 PM

++Lottie

I'm okay with her being the representative today. I think I'd also be okay with Inzil. I'm going to be heading out here in a bit and I likely won't be here for deadline.

Shastanis Althreduin · 10-27-2016, 04:45 PM

Clarification, since I X'ed with my last post - I would also be okay with Inzil as representative. The faux-votes on him for lynch were strange to me, when there is at least one better candidate for a Day 1 throwaway lynch. Not that we're lynching anyone, apparently, but wanting to lynch someone who's been active as opposed to someone like Lal who has been less so, on the first day, seems counterproductive.

Loslote · 10-27-2016, 04:46 PM

I would be happy with either Legate or Kuru as representative, since they've both been around, active, and making good points for a while toDay, but I think I'll go with

++Legate

since I agree with more of what he's said thus far. I would not want to vote Inzil, though - he hasn't pinged on my radar, and I think it would be too hasty to vote for him given the village and rules we're playing with this game.

Edit: xed with Shasta

Kuruharan · 10-27-2016, 04:53 PM

I'm nailing my colors to the mast for toDAY with...

++Legate for Representative on a platform of no lynch for toDAY.

*bows*

Good luck to the Ward and confusion to the Conspirators!

I might be back but I wanted to make sure I got a vote in.

Nerwen · 10-27-2016, 05:07 PM

I am in favour of no-lynch toDay, and perhaps on any Day when we feel collectively clueless.

For the entire game? I think not. Firstly, it requires basically everything to go our way- the odds of it working aren't actually that good. Secondly- well, what Lommy said- we're not really playing if we just sit passively waiting for rescue, are we?

EDIT:x'd with Kuru and Boro.

Nerwen · 10-27-2016, 05:19 PM

Anyway-
++Legate for Representative on a "no-lynch" platform.

Kuruharan · 10-27-2016, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Okay, I'm going to go on record here as being the dissenting voice as far as no-lynches go; I've never been a fan, to be honest. Lynching is the only tool we have, mechanically, to win the game; it's always seemed counter-intuitive to me to intentionally disarm ourselves in such a way.

This game is fairly different than a normal werewolf game, though, theoretically, and I haven't dissected the numbers as much as some others have, so if it's the will of the majority that we decide not to lynch today, I'll go with it. I suppose it's a bit late in the day anyway, considering no one's suspected anyone else.

But I don't like it.

I'm not arguing to like it. I don't particularly like it myself. You are correct that ultimately it is our only tool to secure victory.

What I am arguing is that because DAY ONE lynches usually (not always, obviously) are not positive for the village that we take a deliberate step to slow down the pace of the killing.

I would not be arguing this line if we did not have a DAY FIVE/SIX target that has a scenario for a Ward win. Given how little information we will have through the course of the game, I think we need to keep as many options for victory open as possible.

Having this definite end date changes the dynamics of this game, in my estimation.

Loslote · 10-27-2016, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kuruharan

I'm not arguing to like it. I don't particularly like it myself. You are correct that ultimately it is our only tool to secure victory.

What I am arguing is that because DAY ONE lynches usually (not always, obviously) are not positive for the village that we take a deliberate step to slow down the pace of the killing.

I agree - I am usually for lynching Day 1, too. I want to hold our fire toDay partially because we want to keep our numbers up as long as we can, partially because Day 1 lynches can be particularly dangerous for Gifteds, and we desperately need to keep those alive, and partially because we will gain no real information about the person we lynch. We will not learn their alignment, and they probably will not have said enough to tie them back to their fellow wolves even if they did end up being wolves. I think a Day 2 lynch would be much more telling. So, yes, not lynching anyone leaves a bad taste in my mouth, but I do think it would be the best choice to hold off this time, just for toDay.

Edit: Xed with Lommy

Legate of Amon Lanc · 10-27-2016, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Oh, and for the Finns that have to vote soon - I think I'd prefer Lottie as representative myself, honestly. That's where I'm leaning, anyway.

I agree. That said,

++Lottie

For the reference then, if I *had* to vote for lynch at this point, I would probably go with

++Inzil (but objectively speaking: NO LYNCH TODAY.)

as vaguely outlined in my post above. Vote for him would be a Day 1 vote, so, really based on very little. His style just generally felt different from a classic, innocent Inzil. But that's about that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kuruharan

I would not be arguing this line if we did not have a DAY FIVE/SIX target that has a scenario for a Ward win. Given how little information we will have through the course of the game, I think we need to keep as many options for victory open as possible.

Having this definite end date changes the dynamics of this game, in my estimation.

Basically like that. This is, for future reference, the example of the way I like Kuru's thinking to go. But, there we are. We shall see what the situation seems like toMorrow, whether the no-lynch is still a good idea, and whatnot.

Good Night folks, let's hope we're gonna get through this nightmare.

EDIT: x-ed with Lottie and Inzils

Boromir88 · 10-27-2016, 04:56 PM

My dear sally, some of us are in a constant state of demoralization

I would think the conspirators are going to be active in vying for being a representative. Gives them control of what name to send to the guard. And with no knowing of role upon death, there's no way to verify the intentions of the representative.

There's always that fall back excuse of "well I didn't go with the majority because I felt differently, obviously." And there's really no way to confirm if that's true or not.

Voting for a rep, and clearly stating if you become the rep who would you report to the guards should be a requirement.

For Representative:

++Shasta

Those who don't seek to have the power of deciding another's fate are the most deserving of being a representative.

And who's name I would send in toDay? None. I usually show no mercy when it comes to these things, but this time feels different. A cautious, hold out and stay the course seems like a logical (and winnable) approach. For the time being.

Edit: Writing from my phone means I crossed with a lot of people...last post I read was Kuru's #60

Nerwen · 10-27-2016, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boromir88

My dear sally, some of us are in a constant state of demoralization

I would think the conspirators are going to be active in vying for being a representative. Gives them control of what name to send to the guard. And with no knowing of role upon death, there's no way to verify the intentions of the representative.

There's always that fall back excuse of "well I didn't go with the majority because I felt differently, obviously." And there's really no way to confirm if that's true or not.

Voting for a rep, and clearly stating if you become the rep who would you report to the guards should be a requirement.

Also, recall that in this game we have no "official" way of distinguishing between lynch victim and Night-kill- we just get two dead people each morning (barring saves and no-lynches). So knowing which was *supposed* to be the lynch would help.

satansaloser2005 · 10-27-2016, 06:03 PM

After much discussion, the population of the Ward had made a decision, which was....not to decide much of anything at all.

"We can wait it out," said some.

"We have to take action!" others insisted. "We can't sit around and accept our fate."

"Look at my horse," interjected Kuru. "My horse is-"

"Okay, I guess," said Boro.

One thing everyone agreed on was that the loss of Phantom was truly a tragic one, but even then, there were dissenting voices.

Some time later, the group decided they should select someone to present a message to the guards, but that that person shouldn't actually say anything.

Legate sat cross-legged on a small box full of spare rope pieces. In the end, he stood on it, and the others elected that he would be the one to report to the guards. Still, discussion continued, with some despairing over numbers and others finding some hope in their chances of surviving the next few days.

"The sun is setting," Sally reminded everyone after a time. "You should all turn in for the night."

Legate stayed behind, mulling over what he should, or perhaps should not, tell the guards.

Patients
Nerwen
Kuru
McCaber
Lottie
Lalaith
Lommy
Legate
Dun
Boro
Shasta

The Morgue
Phantom (for posterity)

satansaloser2005 · 10-28-2016, 06:00 PM

Throughout the night, patients tossed and turned, unable to rest for fear that yet another of them would be gone by the dawn.

In the darkness, three of the Ward crept from their respective homes, meeting in a small alley behind an empty cottage.

"Tonight we have to try harder. They mourn for Phantom, and tonight's loss will be great as well, but we must take even more."

"How much more?"

"Well, obviously all of them eventually, but for tonight....well, come with me."

The house they approached had cheery flowers outside, though these were wilting from the cold. Peeking inside the window, they could see a sleeping figure curled in bed, mumbling inaudibly mid-dream.

"Perfect. There will be panic in the streets when they find this one."

"More than Phantom?"

"Don't be ridiculous. You will curse the day, blah blah. Better than Nilp though. Everyone assumed he did that to himself. There will be no such mistake this time."

The third figure drew some rope from under their cloak. "Let's get to work...."

~~~~~~~~

Though sleep did not come easily to any in the Ward, one in particular had been desperate for peace since the previous day. Surprisingly, dreams were pleasant, and in the morning, the sense of dread had lessened. Once out in the sunlight, it seemed like maybe, just maybe, everything would turn out all right.

A new day had come, and with it, new challenges, but also new hope.

Patients
Nerwen
Kuru
McCaber
Lottie
Lalaith
Lommy
Legate
Dun
Boro
Shasta

The Morgue
Phantom (for posterity)

Inziladun · 10-28-2016, 06:42 PM

So Bard was successful, and no one was dispatched to the guards. Not a bad start.

Ok, I guess it wouldn't hurt for the would-be afflicted to out themselves (cue Legate-180™.

Loslote · 10-28-2016, 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inziladun

So Bard was successful, and no one was dispatched to the guards. Not a bad start.

Ok, I guess it wouldn't hurt for the would-be afflicted to out themselves (cue Legate-180™.

Give credit to the proper person - I do believe the Herbalist is the person responsible for last Night's miracle.

Kuruharan · 10-28-2016, 06:59 PM

Thank you, Legate for keeping your word. You are clearly a cut above most legislative representatives throughout history!

/removes hat

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inziladun

So Bard was successful, and no one was dispatched to the guards. Not a bad start.

Ok, I guess it wouldn't hurt for the would-be afflicted to out themselves (cue Legate-180™.

The way the narration reads to me, it sounds like the Herbalist saved the day.

Xed with Lottie.

10-27-2016, 04:23 PM	#1
Shastanis Althreduin Werewolf Psychic Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: In fire, water, earth, and air. But mostly water. Posts: 2,832	Okay, I'm going to go on record here as being the dissenting voice as far as no-lynches go; I've never been a fan, to be honest. Lynching is the only tool we have, mechanically, to win the game; it's always seemed counter-intuitive to me to intentionally disarm ourselves in such a way. This game is fairly different than a normal werewolf game, though, theoretically, and I haven't dissected the numbers as much as some others have, so if it's the will of the majority that we decide not to lynch today, I'll go with it. I suppose it's a bit late in the day anyway, considering no one's suspected anyone else. But I don't like it. __________________ Shasta– ... However, if he's innocent his famous clairvoyant powers must be taking the week off. Meanwhile, the Night-kills have been awfully effective– almost like we're dealing with a psychic wolf... - Nerwen, WW LXXV Last edited by Shastanis Althreduin; 10-27-2016 at 04:24 PM. Reason: X'ed with Legate

10-27-2016, 04:25 PM	#2
Shastanis Althreduin Werewolf Psychic Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: In fire, water, earth, and air. But mostly water. Posts: 2,832	Oh, and for the Finns that have to vote soon - I think I'd prefer Lottie as representative myself, honestly. That's where I'm leaning, anyway. __________________ Shasta– ... However, if he's innocent his famous clairvoyant powers must be taking the week off. Meanwhile, the Night-kills have been awfully effective– almost like we're dealing with a psychic wolf... - Nerwen, WW LXXV

10-27-2016, 04:33 PM	#3
Inziladun Gruesome Spectre Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Heaven's doorstep Posts: 8,039	I'll go with the majority on whether the rep should send a name. Like I said before, I'm usually of a mind with Shasta in that not voting helps the baddies. This game does have its quirks that skew my feelings a bit though. If Legate has some nebulous misgivings about me, I would say I reciprocate. It's mainly a feel, though I didn't (don't) agree with him that those receiving notice they're afflicted by the Breath should say so (see my earlier). x/d with Kuru, Lommy, and Lottie __________________ Music alone proves the existence of God. Last edited by Inziladun; 10-27-2016 at 04:35 PM. Reason: typo

10-27-2016, 04:37 PM	#4
Inziladun Gruesome Spectre Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Heaven's doorstep Posts: 8,039	++Kuru Because he seems to have been around enough to know people's thoughts. __________________ Music alone proves the existence of God.

10-27-2016, 04:40 PM	#5
Shastanis Althreduin Werewolf Psychic Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: In fire, water, earth, and air. But mostly water. Posts: 2,832	++Lottie I'm okay with her being the representative today. I think I'd also be okay with Inzil. I'm going to be heading out here in a bit and I likely won't be here for deadline. __________________ Shasta– ... However, if he's innocent his famous clairvoyant powers must be taking the week off. Meanwhile, the Night-kills have been awfully effective– almost like we're dealing with a psychic wolf... - Nerwen, WW LXXV Last edited by Shastanis Althreduin; 10-27-2016 at 04:41 PM. Reason: X'ed with Inzil and Legate

10-27-2016, 04:45 PM	#6
Shastanis Althreduin Werewolf Psychic Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: In fire, water, earth, and air. But mostly water. Posts: 2,832	Clarification, since I X'ed with my last post - I would also be okay with Inzil as representative. The faux-votes on him for lynch were strange to me, when there is at least one better candidate for a Day 1 throwaway lynch. Not that we're lynching anyone, apparently, but wanting to lynch someone who's been active as opposed to someone like Lal who has been less so, on the first day, seems counterproductive. __________________ Shasta– ... However, if he's innocent his famous clairvoyant powers must be taking the week off. Meanwhile, the Night-kills have been awfully effective– almost like we're dealing with a psychic wolf... - Nerwen, WW LXXV

10-27-2016, 04:46 PM	#7
Loslote The Werewolf's Companion Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The Moon Posts: 3,021	I would be happy with either Legate or Kuru as representative, since they've both been around, active, and making good points for a while toDay, but I think I'll go with ++Legate since I agree with more of what he's said thus far. I would not want to vote Inzil, though - he hasn't pinged on my radar, and I think it would be too hasty to vote for him given the village and rules we're playing with this game. Edit: xed with Shasta __________________ I have loved the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night. Double Fenris

10-27-2016, 04:53 PM	#8
Kuruharan Regal Dwarven Shade Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: A Remote Dwarven Hold Posts: 3,593	Time's Up for me I'm nailing my colors to the mast for toDAY with... ++Legate for Representative on a platform of no lynch for toDAY. bows Good luck to the Ward and confusion to the Conspirators! I might be back but I wanted to make sure I got a vote in. __________________ ...finding a path that cannot be found, walking a road that cannot be seen, climbing a ladder that was never placed, or reading a paragraph that has no...

10-27-2016, 05:07 PM	#9
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	I am in favour of no-lynch toDay, and perhaps on any Day when we feel collectively clueless. For the entire game? I think not. Firstly, it requires basically everything to go our way- the odds of it working aren't actually that good. Secondly- well, what Lommy said- we're not really playing if we just sit passively waiting for rescue, are we? EDIT:x'd with Kuru and Boro. __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.

10-27-2016, 05:19 PM	#10
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	Anyway- ++Legate for Representative on a "no-lynch" platform. __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.

10-27-2016, 04:56 PM	#14
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,521	My dear sally, some of us are in a constant state of demoralization I would think the conspirators are going to be active in vying for being a representative. Gives them control of what name to send to the guard. And with no knowing of role upon death, there's no way to verify the intentions of the representative. There's always that fall back excuse of "well I didn't go with the majority because I felt differently, obviously." And there's really no way to confirm if that's true or not. Voting for a rep, and clearly stating if you become the rep who would you report to the guards should be a requirement. For Representative: ++Shasta Those who don't seek to have the power of deciding another's fate are the most deserving of being a representative. And who's name I would send in toDay? None. I usually show no mercy when it comes to these things, but this time feels different. A cautious, hold out and stay the course seems like a logical (and winnable) approach. For the time being. Edit: Writing from my phone means I crossed with a lot of people...last post I read was Kuru's #60 __________________ Fenris Penguin

10-27-2016, 06:03 PM	#16
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	After much discussion, the population of the Ward had made a decision, which was....not to decide much of anything at all. "We can wait it out," said some. "We have to take action!" others insisted. "We can't sit around and accept our fate." "Look at my horse," interjected Kuru. "My horse is-" "Okay, I guess," said Boro. One thing everyone agreed on was that the loss of Phantom was truly a tragic one, but even then, there were dissenting voices. Some time later, the group decided they should select someone to present a message to the guards, but that that person shouldn't actually say anything. Legate sat cross-legged on a small box full of spare rope pieces. In the end, he stood on it, and the others elected that he would be the one to report to the guards. Still, discussion continued, with some despairing over numbers and others finding some hope in their chances of surviving the next few days. "The sun is setting," Sally reminded everyone after a time. "You should all turn in for the night." Legate stayed behind, mulling over what he should, or perhaps should not, tell the guards. Patients Nerwen Kuru McCaber Lottie Lalaith Lommy Legate Dun Boro Shasta The Morgue Phantom (for posterity) __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm. Last edited by satansaloser2005; 10-28-2016 at 05:59 PM.

10-28-2016, 06:00 PM	#17
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	Throughout the night, patients tossed and turned, unable to rest for fear that yet another of them would be gone by the dawn. In the darkness, three of the Ward crept from their respective homes, meeting in a small alley behind an empty cottage. "Tonight we have to try harder. They mourn for Phantom, and tonight's loss will be great as well, but we must take even more." "How much more?" "Well, obviously all of them eventually, but for tonight....well, come with me." The house they approached had cheery flowers outside, though these were wilting from the cold. Peeking inside the window, they could see a sleeping figure curled in bed, mumbling inaudibly mid-dream. "Perfect. There will be panic in the streets when they find this one." "More than Phantom?" "Don't be ridiculous. You will curse the day, blah blah. Better than Nilp though. Everyone assumed he did that to himself. There will be no such mistake this time." The third figure drew some rope from under their cloak. "Let's get to work...." ~~~~~~~~ Though sleep did not come easily to any in the Ward, one in particular had been desperate for peace since the previous day. Surprisingly, dreams were pleasant, and in the morning, the sense of dread had lessened. Once out in the sunlight, it seemed like maybe, just maybe, everything would turn out all right. A new day had come, and with it, new challenges, but also new hope. Patients Nerwen Kuru McCaber Lottie Lalaith Lommy Legate Dun Boro Shasta The Morgue Phantom (for posterity) __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm. Last edited by satansaloser2005; 10-28-2016 at 06:11 PM.

10-28-2016, 06:42 PM	#18
Inziladun Gruesome Spectre Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Heaven's doorstep Posts: 8,039	So Bard was successful, and no one was dispatched to the guards. Not a bad start. Ok, I guess it wouldn't hurt for the would-be afflicted to out themselves (cue Legate-180™. __________________ Music alone proves the existence of God.