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Old 06-29-2017, 10:07 AM   #1
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Perhaps they were acclimatised to Orcs, or not so far from Orcs themselves after living so long under the shadow.
Which brings us back to the recent orc integration thread.

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They probably did not realise they were being so poorly used, at least until it was too late.
One would think that they might notice the detrimental impact the darkness in the lead up to the battle was having on them.
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Old 06-29-2017, 10:26 AM   #2
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One would think that they might notice the detrimental impact the darkness in the lead up to the battle was having on them.
Perhaps a 'god works in mysterious ways' explanation?

Did they even know that their 'god' was personally directing their campaign against Gondor?

One thing I think this raises is the issue of how the Men of Darkness conceived of their 'god'. Did they think of their 'god' as a person who lived at the top of the tower in the Dark Land, or as some more nebulous force, or as something else entirely?
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Old 06-29-2017, 11:31 AM   #3
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Did they even know that their 'god' was personally directing their campaign against Gondor?
I would think so. They were submitting themselves to the overall leadership of Mordor, and traditions of their peoples would recall, I would surmise, personal appearances by Sauron in their lands long before.

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One thing I think this raises is the issue of how the Men of Darkness conceived of their 'god'. Did they think of their 'god' as a person who lived at the top of the tower in the Dark Land, or as some more nebulous force, or as something else entirely?
I think by the time of the Third Age Sauron was The Red Eye: an abstract, remote power that could not be denied, and would reward those who aided it.
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Old 06-30-2017, 02:46 AM   #4
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I would think so. They were submitting themselves to the overall leadership of Mordor, and traditions of their peoples would recall, I would surmise, personal appearances by Sauron in their lands long before.
Yes, I suppose the "king and god" aspect covers that. Sauron wanted both temporal power and divine worship, so it would make sense for him to clearly occupy the simultaneous positions of deity and overlord in their cultures.
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