Werewolf CXII - Dueling Wizards III - The Living Thread - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Lalaith · 07-13-2017, 05:19 PM

Ok then.
++Eomer

satansaloser2005 · 07-13-2017, 05:24 PM

Not again, you guys....

Kuruharan · 07-13-2017, 06:00 PM

The deadline has come.

Please stop posting.

Narration will follow shortly.

EDIT: For mandatory vote purposes I will count Pervinca Took's vote since it won't lend itself to a controversial outcome.

But please do put the ++ in front of the votes.

EDIT EDIT: Also in tomorrow's introduction narration I will include a list of the people who are in danger of mandatory vote expulsion so they can make sure and vote.

Kuruharan · 07-13-2017, 06:13 PM

~~~~~Our Tale~~~~~

Now that it had been conclusively proven that Kuru was right about there being a murderer on the loose, there was nothing else for it but to set down to the hard work of finding out who it was.

If only there was a forensics lab in this canyon. Alas, there was not.

One of the guests, who seemed to have given up the will to live, just lay on the guillotine and shouted, “Nilpaurion Felagund!" over and over again, with occasional pauses to shout advice to his comrades.

The other guests thought this a mite odd…but didn’t really pay much attention to it.

They had other fish to fry!

Mostly each other...

Suddenly, out of nowhere there was a definite suspect! Of course it was him! There could be no doubt!

They threw the suicidal one off the guillotine and tossed their convict on it and pulled the lever.

CLUNK!

There! Surely that problem was solved and Kuru would come rescue them in the morning.

~~~~~~~

It is now NIGHT 3. Those with NIGHTly business will no doubt commence it.

The Ordos sleep now.

Living
Nerwen
Loslote
Boromir88
Shastanis Althreduin
satansaloser2005
Eomer of the Rohirrim
Thinlómien
Lalaith
Legate of Amon Lanc
Mithalwen
Eönwë
Nogrod
Pervinca Took
Brinniel

The Dead
Morsul the Dark
Inziladun

Kuruharan · 07-14-2017, 06:03 PM

~~~~~Our Tale~~~~~

The NIGHT passed swiftly.

Those who slept did so fitfully.

There was a pervasive sense that they were all on the edge of another, strange world that might reach out and touch them at any time.

The dawn came, as it always does.

The group around the guillotine was a bit smaller this time.

A hunt turned up the corpse of Thinlómien.

Oh dear. This is getting serious.

~~
It is now DAY 3. You may all post now.

After doing my review, it turns out Sally is the only one in danger of the chop if she does not vote today.

Living
Nerwen
Loslote
Boromir88
Shastanis Althreduin
satansaloser2005
Eomer of the Rohirrim
Lalaith
Legate of Amon Lanc
Mithalwen
Eönwë
Nogrod
Pervinca Took
Brinniel

The Dead
Morsul the Dark
Inziladun
Thinlómien

satansaloser2005 · 07-14-2017, 06:07 PM

Folks who instigated that temporary five (six?) way tie are in a lot of trouble....

Behold my unamused face. o_O

Nerwen · 07-14-2017, 06:50 PM

I will look over Lommy's posts if I have time. In the meantime, can we arrange for the Dead to tell us Zil's role? (Can we also agree learning the roles of Night-killed people is a waste of time?)

Boromir88 · 07-14-2017, 06:50 PM

Well that was unfortunate.

So let's figure out this dead thread communication plan now...going through with it or not? And how?

Eönwë · 07-15-2017, 05:42 PM

So, to my mind, either Nog is on the right track, and I've ended up siding with an evil Lottie, Eomer and Legate trio; or Legate is right and Noghas been trying to sabotage our communication with the Dead Thread.

On which note, I don't like the way Nog tries to bring up the no-lynch thing against me and Legate and Lottie as if it's separate from us wanting to implement the plan, which he clearly disagrees with.

Eönwë · 07-14-2017, 06:53 PM

Well, it looks like I won't have to look at Lommy's posting toDay after all...

A few thoughts:
1. The Zil vote seems a bit worryingly sudden.
2. However, I also think the early spreading out of the vote needs to be looked at more closely.
3. Let's have the Dead Thread discussion now, please.
4. On the topic of the Dead Thread, over the course of the Night, my suspicion of Nogroddue to his dismissal of the Dead Thread plan has returned. Not specifically his disagreement, but rather his attempt to discredit and derail it without offering any proper alternative (sure, it may be the case that the Dead should be the ones telling the Living what to do, but the Living are still the ones with the power of lynching, and they still need to be communicated with). For example, last Night, instead of either voting for himself (and being revealed) or not (thereby being found out), a B]Boro[/B]-wolf could now potentially try to justify not cooperating (in this case, cooperating being voting for himself for the Night reveal). I find it hard to believe that this possibility would not have occurred to Nog, which makes me suspect him.

Ok, it's very late and I'm very tired, so going to sleep now. I hope to wake up to some good discussion, village!

Mithalwen · 07-14-2017, 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Folks who instigated that temporary five (six?) way tie are in a lot of trouble....

Behold my unamused face. o_O

At least they voted, showed their colours and left an audit trail. But there is a point in this game when what you don't do takes on as least as much significance as what you do. Can't help thinking the range would be more an issue for a servant of evil than someone with genuine (though possibly misplaced) suspicion.

Brinniel · 07-15-2017, 12:45 AM

On the Dead Thread...

Based on the rules, I'm assuming we will find out who received the empowerment vote at the end of each Day regardless of whether that empowerment vote actually has an impact on the lynch. Am I correct on this?

Eonwe, now that I'm starting to wrap my head around your strategy, while I do like where you're going with it, I see flaws. For one thing, last Night there were two in the Dead Thread which means they could vote to reveal a role. How do we know for sure that they cooperated and allowed this to happen? And if they did, how do we know if the role revealed was Morsul or Inzil? The theory of the EW killing their own wolf seems out there, yet the mere fact that it was discussed yesterDay may have prompted last Night's vote to go towards Morsul.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eonwe

Then, based on whether the Target (i.e. the person whose role was found out the Night before) is innocent or guilty, someone who is a known innocent (i.e. someone genuinely found out to be an innocent, or if no such person appears, a Night kill, e.g. Morsul - I assume the Dead Thread can come up with a system, but my suggestion would be to cycle through those lynched and definitively proven to be innocent) picks which of the people in the appropriate PREDATOR or PREY list is voted.

The list you are using is an interesting idea as a way for the dead to communicate to the living while still having some flexibility in their votes, but this here takes away that flexibility. You are assuming just because a known innocent can be trusted, that they will make good decisions. The truth is a known innocent can still be very misguided. For that reason, I do not like the idea of having one person decide the empowerment vote.

A strategy is needed, I agree. My main concern is that in our attempt to create a communication system with the dead, we will end up causing miscommunication and even more confusion. After all, while we can direct the Dead Thread and hope for the best, there's really no way to tell for sure if they are actually following the directions at any given time.

07-13-2017, 05:19 PM	#1
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	Ok then. ++Eomer __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

07-13-2017, 05:24 PM	#2
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	Not again, you guys.... __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.

07-13-2017, 06:00 PM	#3
Kuruharan Regal Dwarven Shade Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: A Remote Dwarven Hold Posts: 3,593	Deadline The deadline has come. Please stop posting. Narration will follow shortly. EDIT: For mandatory vote purposes I will count Pervinca Took's vote since it won't lend itself to a controversial outcome. But please do put the ++ in front of the votes. EDIT EDIT: Also in tomorrow's introduction narration I will include a list of the people who are in danger of mandatory vote expulsion so they can make sure and vote. __________________ ...finding a path that cannot be found, walking a road that cannot be seen, climbing a ladder that was never placed, or reading a paragraph that has no... Last edited by Kuruharan; 07-13-2017 at 06:05 PM.

07-13-2017, 06:13 PM	#4
Kuruharan Regal Dwarven Shade Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: A Remote Dwarven Hold Posts: 3,593	NIGHT Three ~~~~~Our Tale~~~~~ Now that it had been conclusively proven that Kuru was right about there being a murderer on the loose, there was nothing else for it but to set down to the hard work of finding out who it was. If only there was a forensics lab in this canyon. Alas, there was not. One of the guests, who seemed to have given up the will to live, just lay on the guillotine and shouted, “Nilpaurion Felagund!" over and over again, with occasional pauses to shout advice to his comrades. The other guests thought this a mite odd…but didn’t really pay much attention to it. They had other fish to fry! Mostly each other... Suddenly, out of nowhere there was a definite suspect! Of course it was him! There could be no doubt! They threw the suicidal one off the guillotine and tossed their convict on it and pulled the lever. CLUNK! There! Surely that problem was solved and Kuru would come rescue them in the morning. ~~~~~~~ It is now NIGHT 3. Those with NIGHTly business will no doubt commence it. The Ordos sleep now. Living Nerwen Loslote Boromir88 Shastanis Althreduin satansaloser2005 Eomer of the Rohirrim Thinlómien Lalaith Legate of Amon Lanc Mithalwen Eönwë Nogrod Pervinca Took Brinniel The Dead Morsul the Dark Inziladun __________________ ...finding a path that cannot be found, walking a road that cannot be seen, climbing a ladder that was never placed, or reading a paragraph that has no... Last edited by Kuruharan; 07-13-2017 at 06:36 PM.

07-14-2017, 06:03 PM	#5
Kuruharan Regal Dwarven Shade Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: A Remote Dwarven Hold Posts: 3,593	DAY Three ~~~~~Our Tale~~~~~ The NIGHT passed swiftly. Those who slept did so fitfully. There was a pervasive sense that they were all on the edge of another, strange world that might reach out and touch them at any time. The dawn came, as it always does. The group around the guillotine was a bit smaller this time. A hunt turned up the corpse of Thinlómien. Oh dear. This is getting serious. ~~ It is now DAY 3. You may all post now. After doing my review, it turns out Sally is the only one in danger of the chop if she does not vote today. Living Nerwen Loslote Boromir88 Shastanis Althreduin satansaloser2005 Eomer of the Rohirrim Lalaith Legate of Amon Lanc Mithalwen Eönwë Nogrod Pervinca Took Brinniel The Dead Morsul the Dark Inziladun Thinlómien __________________ ...finding a path that cannot be found, walking a road that cannot be seen, climbing a ladder that was never placed, or reading a paragraph that has no...

07-14-2017, 06:07 PM	#6
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	Folks who instigated that temporary five (six?) way tie are in a lot of trouble.... Behold my unamused face. o_O __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.

07-14-2017, 06:50 PM	#7
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	I will look over Lommy's posts if I have time. In the meantime, can we arrange for the Dead to tell us Zil's role? (Can we also agree learning the roles of Night-killed people is a waste of time?) __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.

07-14-2017, 06:50 PM	#8
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,521	Well that was unfortunate. So let's figure out this dead thread communication plan now...going through with it or not? And how? __________________ Fenris Penguin

07-15-2017, 05:42 PM	#9
Eönwë Flame Imperishable Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Right here Posts: 3,928	So, to my mind, either Nog is on the right track, and I've ended up siding with an evil Lottie, Eomer and Legate trio; or Legate is right and Noghas been trying to sabotage our communication with the Dead Thread. On which note, I don't like the way Nog tries to bring up the no-lynch thing against me and Legate and Lottie as if it's separate from us wanting to implement the plan, which he clearly disagrees with. __________________ Welcome to the Barrow Do-owns Forum / Such a lovely place

07-14-2017, 06:53 PM	#10
Eönwë Flame Imperishable Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Right here Posts: 3,928	Well, it looks like I won't have to look at Lommy's posting toDay after all... A few thoughts: 1. The Zil vote seems a bit worryingly sudden. 2. However, I also think the early spreading out of the vote needs to be looked at more closely. 3. Let's have the Dead Thread discussion now, please. 4. On the topic of the Dead Thread, over the course of the Night, my suspicion of Nogroddue to his dismissal of the Dead Thread plan has returned. Not specifically his disagreement, but rather his attempt to discredit and derail it without offering any proper alternative (sure, it may be the case that the Dead should be the ones telling the Living what to do, but the Living are still the ones with the power of lynching, and they still need to be communicated with). For example, last Night, instead of either voting for himself (and being revealed) or not (thereby being found out), a B]Boro[/B]-wolf could now potentially try to justify not cooperating (in this case, cooperating being voting for himself for the Night reveal). I find it hard to believe that this possibility would not have occurred to Nog, which makes me suspect him. Ok, it's very late and I'm very tired, so going to sleep now. I hope to wake up to some good discussion, village! __________________ Welcome to the Barrow Do-owns Forum / Such a lovely place