Werewolf CXII - Dueling Wizards III - The Living Thread

[Lalaith]

Sad.

Come bravely to the next one! You'll get the hang of this!

Hear, hear. Hope to see you again, Pervinca.

Anyway moving to practicals I thought Pervinca's disappearance might warrant a rejig of the list but actually given that Boro said he probably wasn't voting it's not as imbalanced as I'd feared. If the Dead are already voting on who to empower we don't want to confuse things. So here it is again...

ZIL = PREY
Boromir88
Brinniel
Eomer of the Rohirrim
Eönwë
Lalaith

ZIL = PREDATOR
Legate of Amon Lanc
Loslote
Mithalwen
Nerwen

NONE OF THE ABOVE
Nogrod
Pervinca Took
satansaloser2005
Shastanis Althreduin

[Mithalwen]

Well I hope it Is good news. With so many quiet folk, Pervinca gone and an ordo we can't rely on the dead. The numbers are a bit scary. I fear that we are already metaphorically attached to another object by an inclined plane wrapped helically around an axis. So yes let's catch some wolves. This messaging debate is making Brexit negotiations look and snappy. Filibustering?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Btw. Legate: could you tell us what you were thinking with this one (on Lommy):
In the end of the Day1 you were a strong advocate of the no-lynch policy and actually tried to achieve it - or at least tried to make an impression you tried to achieve it, as you voted already three minutes before the DL and knew there were people still voting, but commented on your vote that it "should be a tie". And here you then say Lommy's driving for a lynch made her look more innocent?

So what has changed, your loyalties or something else?

I meant on Day 2, when she warned us from repeating that.

[Nogrod]

Night4

Aphrodite (A): Knock-Knock
Bandobras, Captain, Daisy, Evil, (B, C, D, E) : Who’s there?
A: A Living Dead!
B & C: Oh it’s you.
D & E: Welcome.
A: So?
B: So what?
A: What shall we do?
C: Just vote to see D’s role.
D: And then vote to empower a person in the Living Thread from one of the lists here that indicate that B was an innocent on D2.
E: But which of these lists do you choose? That’s the question… *grins*
B: Ignore him.
C: I’ve actually stopped following the thread. It’s boring.
D: There’s nothing else to do though.
E: Get bored my friends… don’t vote… I’d like to do it for you around the Deadline.
B: If we have nothing else to do, then actually be my guest.
C: I don’t fancy either reading all the pages just to tell them something that is of no importance.
D: We do have a duty to help them, you know?
E: Why bother my friends? They don’t deserve your aid.
B: I might agree with you on this issue – evil!
C: I think I have RL-stuff to do.
D: Doggone it…
A: But couldn’t we play the game? Try to find out the villains? Put our heads together with superior information and lead the village to victory?
B: They don’t listen.
C: They think they know better, cretins.
D: It’s hard you see…
E: There is no way you can deliver a message of any importance to them my dear A. You’re totally doomed to play a game that only takes their ability to see as a measure of everything – you may know more here, but there is no way you can make them listen to you as they think they know what to do...
A: Oh, crap. Let’s go to sleep then. I did have a good book to read instead of following this game...

[Nogrod]

Day5

Aphrodite (A): Knock-Knock
Bandobras, Captain, Daisy, Evil, Fiend, Gandalf (B, C, D, E, F, G) : Who’s there?
A: A Living Dead!
B & C: Oh it’s you.
D & E: Welcome.
F & G: And…
A: Nice to be here. What have you been up to?
B: Well…
C: Not much…
D: Actually…
E: More or less…
F: Nothing.
G: But there is no choice as some of those idiots insist on acting on what we do.
A: And that is?
F: Nothing serious my friend…
B: Shut up, we know you’re a wolf F.
C: Quit smiling.
D: Evil!
E: Hehe…
G: We’ll get you too one Day you mischievous cretin!
F: Well, you can’t signal my guilt in many days to come anyway.
D: Frustrating, I’ll tell you.
C: You see…
A: I see.
B: Looking back at how a known wolf (to us) F acted on Dx and E on Dy, we’re pretty solid that J is either a wolf or the EW herself.
C: And we know these things, the villagers don’t…
D: Some of the villagers were actually on the right track and voted for her yesterday…
G: But we had to tell them whether D was innocent or not…
B: Or that was how they were reading it.
C: Or some of them were claiming they should read it.
D: Although there was a debate whether they should read the result from a list made by H or the one by I – as the other was made with their birthday-order and the other in the order of their beauty.
E: Hehe…
F: *Smirk* They also debated where the uneven number should go as seven doesn’t divide into three so nicely – and there were two different solutions offered…
G: Ohh, shut up!
B: And D was voted down by E and F – and we know F is a wolf and are almost sure E is one too.
A: So you didn’t follow the procedure last Night?
B: Of course not.
C: It was so obvious…
D: But we wanted to be sure.
E: Well, we tried to outvote you.
F: We did.
G: But we’re always going to be the majority here…
B: Did you hear K withdrew from the game?
C: So?
D: Well how about the list then?
E: Teehee…
F: Pick your choise… *grins*
B: But I already voted…
C: Will G be actually coming back?
D: Will he notice that part in the thread? I thought he said he was going to be in a hurry and just plain vote…
E: Teehee…
F: *grins*

[Nogrod]

Sorry.

It felt too much fun to figure out a game in the Dead Thread with "our instructions".

Let them be and help as as well as they can - and let us fight here.

PS. And like I said, I am up to trying this info-channeling toDay - there's probably little they know or can do toDay. But sooner or later they start to know things more than we do, and then we should not hinder or discourage them from helping us as best as they can.

EDIT: Btw. I see the logic of the Scenario 2 doesn't actually hold... but well, who cares. It was meant more to be fun and pointig a possiböle problems than being exactly logical to the end...

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I was thinking it was taking way too long for Nogrod to give the village a reason to lynch him.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I think I want to give Legate a re-read today if I get time. He is one of the ones who have seemingly fought to keep discussion on the dead thread and not on who the wolves are (at least, in my opinion).

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Sorry.

It felt too much fun to figure out a game in the Dead Thread with "our instructions".

*shudders*
For your information, I was glaring at the screen in disbelief for quite a while after seeing this.

Let them be and help as as well as they can - and let us fight here.

PS. And like I said, I am up to trying this info-channeling toDay - there's probably little they know or can do toDay. But sooner or later they start to know things more than we do, and then we should not hinder or discourage them from helping us as best as they can.

Well, yes. I mean we can always adjust things later. But please let's not try to discredit the option now. I mean disagreeing, testing is one thing, sabotage is another.

I was on the Dead Thread in one of the previous games, so it isn't like I don't know what it looks like there. But the last time, the thing that was frustrating there was exactly when the Living could not agree on anything.

Aanyway. It is getting later here. Not that I am in a hurry in the objective sense, but I think still going to sleep at reasonable hour would be nice.

I still wanted to take a closer look at Nerwen. And maybe also at others.

Btw, also wanted to remark on this, but got distracted:

Originally Posted by Nogrod

The problem is that it's pretty hard to draw conclusions from there as baddies as well as goodies might have jumped on the band-wagon in the end - the former to blend in and the latter to secure there is no draw on votes.

That being said I'm a bit uneasy with how easily people jumped on Zil-wagon with quite little to argue for it (Pervinca might be pardoned - and s/he (?) voted quite early only to tie Zil with others in the tally). Sure, I myself somewhat suspected him, but I tend to do that everytime we play, so I'd not take that as a reason to actually vote for him, at least myself.

The bandwagon is actually quite an interesting thing indeed. Now obviously we can discount Pervinca, but that makes it interesting to consider when and who joined that bandwagon. I would like to go through it one more time as well. And now I am actually also really interested in learning Inzil's role, also after I have been re-reading a lot of the thread - many things could come into different light if we know his role. So one more reason to actually learn this.

EDIT: x-ed with Eomer and Shasta

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

And now I am actually also really interested in learning Inzil's role, also after I have been re-reading a lot of the thread - many things could come into different light if we know his role. So one more reason to actually learn this.

Agreed.

I'm for it toDay as well. Not as a principle, and not for several Days. There's only three of them there and so not much to find out yet (two Night-kills and one lynch only).

We just need to agree, rather sooner than later, which "table" we'd wish to be used. Nerwen's list seems to be the latest. Is that good for everyone (Pervinca excluded)?

I'll copy it here.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Proposed Empowerment List

ZIL = PREY
Boromir88
Brinniel
Eomer of the Rohirrim
Eönwë
Lalaith

ZIL = PREDATOR
Legate of Amon Lanc
Loslote
Mithalwen
Nerwen

NONE OF THE ABOVE
Nogrod
(Pervinca Took)
satansaloser2005
Shastanis Althreduin

[Loslote]

Sorry I only showed up so late in the Day! I'm happy with the plan as stated mostly recently by Lalaith, and I would suggest we stop making changes now, to prevent ourselves from pulling the rug out from under the feet of the Dead.

I am realizing now how frustrating it is not to be able to rely on my impressions from previous Days. For example, I was thinking to myself that Nog seemed more innocent with how consistent his opinion on the Dead Thread is, and with how he's continued to be consistent despite being the only person with that opinion - when I realized that an innocent Nog could have started down that path, and a newly evil Nog would have then been forced to keep it up, so the consistency tells us nothing.

I do think Brinn, and to a lesser extentShasta and Sally, seem a reserved. Shasta's been sick, and Sally just hasn't been around much, but Brinn has been here and still comes off as holding back from the fray, which is a bit of a red flag, EW-wise.

However, Brinn has also focused mostly on actual wolf-hunting, where I might expect the EW to harp on the Dead Thread a little more - come off as helpful while not actually tying themself to the wolves in any way. So I'm on the fence about her.

I don't like that Eönwë keeps focusing on the Dead Thread, but since it was his plan to begin with, I could see where he might feel obligated to keep talking about it. I do suspect him still, I think his posts these past two Days have come off as more self-aware, but again, that could just be because he feels defensive of his Dead Thread plan. I'm not sure. I don't trust him, though.

I've felt pretty good about Legate, but I do see what Shasta is saying about him focusing maybe overly much on the Dead Thread. I'll have to take more of a look at that.