Werewolf CXII - Dueling Wizards III - The Living Thread - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Nogrod · 07-15-2017, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

And now I am actually also really interested in learning Inzil's role, also after I have been re-reading a lot of the thread - many things could come into different light if we know his role. So one more reason to actually learn this.

Agreed.

I'm for it toDay as well. Not as a principle, and not for several Days. There's only three of them there and so not much to find out yet (two Night-kills and one lynch only).

We just need to agree, rather sooner than later, which "table" we'd wish to be used. Nerwen's list seems to be the latest. Is that good for everyone (Pervinca excluded)?

I'll copy it here.

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Originally Posted by Nerwen

Proposed Empowerment List

ZIL = PREY
Boromir88
Brinniel
Eomer of the Rohirrim
Eönwë
Lalaith

ZIL = PREDATOR
Legate of Amon Lanc
Loslote
Mithalwen
Nerwen

NONE OF THE ABOVE
Nogrod
(Pervinca Took)
satansaloser2005
Shastanis Althreduin

Legate of Amon Lanc · 07-15-2017, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

Agreed.

I'm for it toDay as well. Not as a principle, and not for several Days. There's only three of them there and so not much to find out yet (two Night-kills and one lynch only).

We just need to agree, rather sooner than later, which "table" we'd wish to be used. Nerwen's list seems to be the latest. Is that good for everyone (Pervinca excluded)?

I'll copy it here.

I thought we have agreed on this hours and hours ago! That was why I was against casting any doubt on it again. Now would be late! (Like, the Dead might have gone to sleep for all we know.)

Lalaith · 07-15-2017, 03:52 PM

Yes please lets just say we've all agreed on it and lets stop talking about it...

I am torn on my voting. As I said before, I'd like to vote for Boro but don't want to do it in his absence. And I'd like to see some more people turning up, and the talk to turn to hunting wolves.

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 07-15-2017, 03:58 PM

Legate's a curious one; like, he's posted a lot (as usual) and I've quite enjoyed his thoughts (again, as usual) but I don't see that he's actually suspected a single person - apart from Boro, who obviously was doing things to attract attention. I can't remember if this is normal for Legate, or if he's trying to be present without being controversial.

Nogrod · 07-15-2017, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

I can't remember if this is normal for Legate, or if he's trying to be present without being controversial.

There is actually a deeper truth in this than just how is it with Legate. Most baddies like to be agreeable and avoid suspecting anyone - or at least several people openly or heavily (especially if they are around) .

Sure there are exceptions to the rule, but most of the time it holds.

Nogrod · 07-15-2017, 04:35 PM

Just getting my gut feelings in order...

Brinn doesn't post a loads but posts and is making sense. I like it. Same goes more or less with Lalaith (we need to open a Sancerre one Day!). Now both could be evil as well, but they are not ringing any evil-bells in my mind, at least yet.

Shasta and Mith post less - especially less of substance (whatever that is - let's not go back to that discussion) but Shasta makes me more worried than Mith. That is kind of normal and I wouldn't make any strong inferences on that either way.

Sally I believe to be innocent, at least now - but a pretty decent turn-candidate as well. So one to truly watch, but probably not evil yet...

Nerwen is my eternal enigma - I always suspect her (most of the times being correct - I feel!) and I know she's good in this. But does that merit a vote as itself? Probably not at this stage.

Eomer I find hard to read - which is normal as well. On average I see him positively as trying to stir things a little - but maybe his carefulness should warn me? Anyway, he's one I might consider voting because of his laid back stirring of the pot.

Legate I have a bad feeling with even if I can't quite point into any exact thing. He's being his normal self-doubting and pondering self but has also kind of laid low being almost over-round-about. One of my possible vote-candidates.

I'm not the first one to notice Boro's game has been a bit odd - and with the self-vote episode (which was actually pretty safe for him) it does look weird at some points. At the same time, I could see an innocent Boro taking the fun-road into the game and just enjoy that kind of a game. The problem is that he could be turned and then be pretty hard to lynch.

So Lottie and Eönwe then? Both have a tendency to try and steer the game, and I get somewhat evil vibes from both with the way they play. Lottie has been more easy toDay (which could just be wisdom), Eönwe is the kind of very cool and intelligent driver / second Phantom or the one who called the evil to take him into her service (or was given this role by the EW on N1).

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 07-15-2017, 04:46 PM

I'm sure the GW has thought about this a lot more than I have, but can we expect a visitor to go straight into the dead thread tomorrow? Seems like that role is made to be used quickly. I'm pleased that we seem to be getting through a day without the duel; think it benefits the good side. It's possible that us ordos are hugely outnumbered just now, though maybe more likely that the GW and the EW, at least once, picked the same person.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 07-15-2017, 05:07 PM

Okay, I went through some stuff and now I am trying to sort my thoughts. I managed to read Nerwen's posts; the thing is, she's been posting a lot, but like 90% of it is providing reference (especially on Day 1). That makes her look helpful and all, but objectively, it doesn't really say anything. Also she was somewhat wishy-washy on her vote:

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Originally Posted by Nerwen

So, I'm probably going to vote Zil, not so much for the "slip" as for his reaction to my rather low-key probing, also for voting me with what frankly looks to me like forced suspicion.

My problem here is that I fear my judgement may be coloured by a.) the fact that it's me he's been voting and b.) the fact his playing style tends to be rather creepy regardless of role. Hmmn.

Otherwise, my mind isn't still at ease about Boro, but he hasn't really been around. He was also very late on the Zil bandwagon, which could be a good spot for a Wolf to simply hide a vote. (And if Zil was a Wolf, and Boro as well, then it would probably also be a place to simply dump a vote since the bandwagon was practically finished at that point.)

If I am looking at the votes, Eönwë's vote has a similar quality. The earlier votes for Zil were still at the time when they actually mattered (it could have changed things), so that is a different case and what they meant would show better once we know Zil's role. At the same time, any of the early votes for separate people could have been throwaway, but they still commited to a statement, unlike the votes added to already big pile of other votes.

I think I will now do some summary and try to figure out whom to vote. It's pretty difficult when there is no known role, since practically everything can be interpreted both ways.

EDIT: x-ed with some Eönwës, Nerwen, and Nogrod

Mithalwen · 07-15-2017, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

I thought we have agreed on this hours and hours ago! That was why I was against casting any doubt on it again. Now would be late! (Like, the Dead might have gone to sleep for all we know.)

cf my post 385 Four Hours ago...for the love of Eru... *muttering* if they can put man on the Moon, why can't they put all of them up there...

satansaloser2005 · 07-15-2017, 04:18 PM

Not caught up, but FYI, I should be home for good in about 30 minutes. Back soon.

07-15-2017, 03:52 PM	#3
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	Yes please lets just say we've all agreed on it and lets stop talking about it... I am torn on my voting. As I said before, I'd like to vote for Boro but don't want to do it in his absence. And I'd like to see some more people turning up, and the talk to turn to hunting wolves. __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

07-15-2017, 03:58 PM	#4
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	Legate's a curious one; like, he's posted a lot (as usual) and I've quite enjoyed his thoughts (again, as usual) but I don't see that he's actually suspected a single person - apart from Boro, who obviously was doing things to attract attention. I can't remember if this is normal for Legate, or if he's trying to be present without being controversial. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

07-15-2017, 04:35 PM	#6
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Just getting my gut feelings in order... Brinn doesn't post a loads but posts and is making sense. I like it. Same goes more or less with Lalaith (we need to open a Sancerre one Day!). Now both could be evil as well, but they are not ringing any evil-bells in my mind, at least yet. Shasta and Mith post less - especially less of substance (whatever that is - let's not go back to that discussion) but Shasta makes me more worried than Mith. That is kind of normal and I wouldn't make any strong inferences on that either way. Sally I believe to be innocent, at least now - but a pretty decent turn-candidate as well. So one to truly watch, but probably not evil yet... Nerwen is my eternal enigma - I always suspect her (most of the times being correct - I feel!) and I know she's good in this. But does that merit a vote as itself? Probably not at this stage. Eomer I find hard to read - which is normal as well. On average I see him positively as trying to stir things a little - but maybe his carefulness should warn me? Anyway, he's one I might consider voting because of his laid back stirring of the pot. Legate I have a bad feeling with even if I can't quite point into any exact thing. He's being his normal self-doubting and pondering self but has also kind of laid low being almost over-round-about. One of my possible vote-candidates. I'm not the first one to notice Boro's game has been a bit odd - and with the self-vote episode (which was actually pretty safe for him) it does look weird at some points. At the same time, I could see an innocent Boro taking the fun-road into the game and just enjoy that kind of a game. The problem is that he could be turned and then be pretty hard to lynch. So Lottie and Eönwe then? Both have a tendency to try and steer the game, and I get somewhat evil vibes from both with the way they play. Lottie has been more easy toDay (which could just be wisdom), Eönwe is the kind of very cool and intelligent driver / second Phantom or the one who called the evil to take him into her service (or was given this role by the EW on N1). __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

07-15-2017, 04:46 PM	#7
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	I'm sure the GW has thought about this a lot more than I have, but can we expect a visitor to go straight into the dead thread tomorrow? Seems like that role is made to be used quickly. I'm pleased that we seem to be getting through a day without the duel; think it benefits the good side. It's possible that us ordos are hugely outnumbered just now, though maybe more likely that the GW and the EW, at least once, picked the same person. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

07-15-2017, 04:18 PM	#10
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	Not caught up, but FYI, I should be home for good in about 30 minutes. Back soon. __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.