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King's Writer
Join Date: Jul 2002
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One short answer, because I found it just now:
It is Ungoliant since we find in thus in LotR. Respectfully Findegil |
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OS-MT-07.1: I think we have to eliminate the years counting at the beginning of OS-MT-07.
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OS-MT-03.1: ‘In this year’ does not go, since we do not have the year number in front like in GA. Therefore I think we could use Christopher Tolkiens take at it. OS.MT-03.2 As Of Dwarves and Men we learn that the dwarves of the Ered Luin awoke in the North of that Mountain chain not farther East. Quote:
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Quentingolmo
Join Date: Aug 2017
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OS-MT-07.1: Why must it be eliminated? It is not involved in the difficulties in relating the lengths of the Years of the Trees and the Years of the Sun, so I do not see the difficulty.
OS-03: Why? It is said in the Darkening of Valinor chapter that he will be referred to as Morgoth thenceforth. OS-MT-03.2: This is in reference to all Dwarves though, not just the Blue Mountains ones. As Durin is the eldest, he did indeed awake further east, and his mansions are said to be in Gundabad. OS-MT-3.2: agreed. OS-06: Agreed. OS-05 (07): agreed. |
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OS-MT-07.1: When we consider a change in the relation between Valian Year and Sun Year possibly occurred, then what would Tolkien have changed? The time that elapsed between the events recorded in the Annals or the dates of the Annals? Since we cannot say yeah or no we should act safely and skip such dates.
OS-03: Because what Tolkien did do here is exactly retelling the naming of Melkor as Morgoth. And I thought that in this case the change is unnecessary. OS-MT-03.2: Since it is in reference to all Dwarves ‘east’ would only be true for a part of them in the new conception found in Of Dwarves and Men. In the old conception it is true for all Dwarves that their fathers awoke in the east. Therefore I think the only think that can be safely said about all the places of the awkening of the Dwarves is that they were in the north. OS-MT-03.2: {; and few … : Sorry, I doubled the marker number! We will rename this change to OS-MT-03.5. Respectfully Findegil |
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Join Date: Aug 2023
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A couple contradictions I noticed, which I've underlined for emphasis. First up:
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OS-MT-07.2 "§28 Therefore Thingol ...": I agree that this is contradiction. Thank you for the catch! I would ammend in this way:
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