* An unofficial New Silmarillion Outline *

[gandalf85]

My major objection to the Athrabeth being a part of the Quenta itself is that it is primarily a philosophical discussion which really don't aid or progress the narrative of the Quenta and it may not flow well. I view it in a similar way to the "Statute of Finwe and Miriel" and the "Converse of Manwe and Eru", both of which are in Volume 3. However, if you think it works well in the draft you have I'll concede.

[lindil]

I can only add the project was started expressly with the purpose of maximal inclusion.

to expose more folks to the gems buried in the silm. CJRT's silm was created for a] as much consistency with lotr as could be achieved simply and create a 'canonical' silm.
b] mirror jrrt's compending down from the 'great tales'.

that has been done, this was, at least originally for opposite motives.

if time and intention allows would love to go from peeking to diving back in, we see.

Deep bow to you folks!

[Aiwendil]

Well, there's certainly been a burst of activity here since I last looked in!

Welcome to the new and returning members!

I would like to try to get back into the project, but with all the new drafts, it is a little overwhelming. I have also had some proposed drafts of some of these chapters sitting on my hard drive for years now, and had been waiting until we "officially" started on those sections to post them. I'm not sure if the best thing now is for me to post those for comparison with the drafts prepared by Findegil and ArcusCalion, or not.

I also have notes for revision/review on several of the previously completed chapters, which again I had not yet posted until we officially revisited those chapters. I cannot now recall which of these we had already re-discussed and which we hadn't.

I will try to review the recent discussions in the next few days and perhaps then will have a better idea as to how to proceed.

[Findegil]

It is a pity that it seems we all seem to have waited for the project to go on in stead of posting what we had worked out.

I would say that the list of revisions of finished (well they seem to be rather semi-finshed if you have found things to correct) chapter you should post as soon as possible in the state they are. We can sort out if there are any parts of it are no longer applicable.

Respectfully
Findegil

[Aiwendil]

All right, I've posted the notes I had on Earendil, Turin, and the Ruin of Doriath. It appears that we had already discussed and addressed my corresponding notes on Beren & Luthien, the Fall of Gondolin, and the Ruin of Beleriand.

I also have a few proposals for texts of some of the early chapters, which I'd like to sort through and then post for discussion alongside the proposals made by Findegil and ArcusCalion. I'll try to do that in the next day or two.

[ArcusCalion]

Omg can I just say that this is really exciting!

[Findegil]

Since we worked farther on I will again update the status and this time I also include the sup-chapters to have the full outline given here:

The following status classes still are used:
Untouched: Chapter is foreseen in the structure, but nothing more is done about it.
First Draft: Compilation of text done by one member, not yet in a state ready for group discussion.
Priv. Draft: Compilation of text done by one member, ready for group discussion, but not yet posted in the Forum.
Draft: Compilation of text done by one member, and posted in the Forum. But up to now no discussion had started.
Work in progress: Discussed in the Forum but not yet deemed finished by the members OR once deemed finished but known to be in need of substantial revision.
Semi-finished: finished but with small points raised by new sources or new input that must be discussed.
Finished: Done and all members are still happy with the result.

TRANSLATION FROM THE ELVISH
volume 1: THE ELDER DAYS

Ainulindale Finished
. The Music of the Ainur Finished

Valaquenta Finished
. Of the Valar Finished
. Of the Maiar Finished
. Of the Enemies Semi Finished

Quenta Silmarillion
. 1 Of the Beginning of Time Work in progress
. 2 Of Valinor and the Two Trees Work in progress
. 3 Concerning Naugrim, Ents and Eagles Work in progress
.. Of Aulë and the Dwarves Work in progress
... Here are the words of {Pengolod}[Pengolodh] concerning the Naugrim Work in progress
.. Anaxartaron Onyalie Work in progress
... Of the Ents and the Eagles Work in progress
. 4 Of the Coming of the Elves Work in progress
.. The legend of the Awaking of the Quendi (Cuivienyarna) Work in progress
.. Of the captivity of Melkor Work in progress
.. The Clan-names, with notes on other names for divisions of the Eldar. Work in progress
… Vanyar Work in progress
… Ñoldor Work in progress
… Lindar (Teleri) Work in progress
… Nandor Work in progress
… Sindar Work in progress
... Eglan, pl. Eglain, Egladrim Work in progress
. 5 Of Thingol and Melian Work in progress
. 6 Of Eldamar and the Princes of the Eldalie Work in progress
.. The names of Finwë's descendants Work in progress
… Here are some of the chief names of Finwë and his descendants: Work in progress
… 1. [The names of Finwë and his spouses] Work in progress
… 2. [The names of the Child of Míriel] Work in progress
… 3. [The names of the Children of Indis] Work in progress
… 4. [The names of the Children of Fingolfin] Work in progress
… 5. [The names of the Children of Finarfin] Work in progress
… 6. The names of the Sons of Fëanor. Work in progress
. 7 Of the Darkening of Valinor: Of Finwë and Míriel Semi-finished
. 8 Of the Darkening of Valinor: Of Fëanor and the Unchaining of Melkor Semi-finished
. 9 Of the Darkening of Valinor: Of the Silmarils and the Unrest of the Noldor Semi-finished
. 10 Of the Drakening of Valinor Semi-finished
.. Of the Rape of the Silmaril Semi-finished
. 11 Of the Thieves’ Quarrel Semi-finished
. 12 Of the Flight of the Noldor Work in progress
.. Of the Speech of Fëanor upon Túna Work in progress
.. Of the first Kin-slaying and the Doom of the Noldor Work in progress
. 13 Of the Sindar Work in progress
.. Of the Building of Menegroth Work in progress
.. The Coming of Denethor Work in progress
. 14 Of the Sun and Moon and the Hiding of Valinor Work in progress
. 15 Of Men Work in progress
. 16 Of the Coming of the Noldor Work in progress
.. Of Fingon and Maedros Work in progress
.. Of the Siege of Angband Work in progress
.. Concerning the Dwarves Work in progress
. 17 The Founding of Nargothrond and Gondolin Work in progress
.. Of Dagor Aglareb Work in progress
. 18 Of Beleriand and it's Realms Work in progress
. 19 Of the Noldor in Beleriand Work in progress
. 20 Of Turgon and the Building of Gondolin Work in progress
. 21 Of Maeglin Work in progress
.. Sister-son of Turgon, King of Gondolin Work in progress
. 22 Of{ the Naugrim and }the Edain Work in progress
.. Of the Coming of Men into the West and the Metting of the Edain and the Eldar Work in progress
.. Of the Kindreds and Houses of the Edain Work in progress
... The Drúedain Work in progress

Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth Semi Finished
. The Debate of Finrod and Andreth Semi Finished
. The Tale of Adanel Semi Finished
.. The 'Tale of Adanel' Semi Finished
. 23 Of the Ruin of Beleriand and the Fall of Fingolfin Finished
The Death of Fingolfin Finished
.. The Sige of Eithel Sirion and the Fall of Galdor Finished
.. Of the Swarthy Men Finished

Narn Beren ion Barahir or Narn e•Dinúviel Finished
. The Lay of Leithian Finished
.. Of Thingol in Doriath Finished
... Of Lúthien the Beloved Finished
... Of {Dairon}[Daeron] Minstrel of Thingol Finished
.. Of Morgoth & the Snaring of Gorlim Finished
... Of the Saving of King {Inglor}[Finrod] Felagund by the XII Bëorings Finished
... Of Tarn Aeluin the Blesses Finished
... Of Gorlim Unhappy Finished
.. Of Beren Son of Barahir & his Escape Finished
.. Of the Coming of Beren to Doriath; but first is told of the Meeting of Melian and Thingol Finished
... Beren's meeting with Lúthien Finished
.. Beren before Thingol Finished
.. Lúthien's captivity in Doriath Finished
.. Beren in Nargothrond Finished
.. Beren and Felagund before Sauron Finished
.. Lúthien in Nargothrond Finished
.. The defeat of Sauron Finished
.. The attack by Celegorm and Curufin Finished
.. The disguising of Beren and Lúthien and the journey to Angband Finished
.. Fingolfin and Morgoth; the meeting with Carcharoth Finished
.. Beren and Lúthien in Angband Finished
.. Escape from Angband Finished
. 26 The Quest of the Silmaril 2 Finished
. 27 The Quest of the Silmaril 3: Finished
.. The Wolf-hunt of Carcharoth Finished
. 28 The Song of Lúthien in Mandos Finished
.. The Choices of Lúthien Finished

Narn e•mbar Hador Finished
. Narn e•’Rach Morgoth Finished
.. Narn i Chîn Húrin Finished
... The Tale of the Children of Húrin Finished
... Of the Union of {Maidros}[Maedros] Finished
... The Childhood of Túrin Finished
. 29 Of the Fifth Battle: Nirnaeth Arnoediad Finished
.. Nirnaeth Arnoediad Finished
... The Battel of Unnumbered Tears Finished
... The Words of Húrin and Morgoth Finished
... The Departure of Túrin Finished
... Túrin in Doriath Finished
... Túrin among the Outlaws Finished
... Of Mîm the Dwarf Finished
... The Land of Bow and Helm Finished
... The death of Beleg Finished
... {Failivrin}[Faelivrin] Finished
... Túrin in Nargothrond Finished
... The Fall of Nargothrond Finished
... The Return of Túrin to Dor-lómin Finished
... The coming of Túrin into Brethil Finished
... The Journey of Morwen and Niënor to Nargothrond Finished
... Niënor in Brethil Finished
... The Coming of Glaurung Finished
... The Death of Glaurung Finished
... The Death of Túrin Finished

. 31 Of the Ruin of Doriath Finished
.. Sigil Elu-naeth Finished
... Necklace of the Woe of Thingol Finished
... The Wanderings of Húrin Finished
... The Nauglamír Finished

. Narn en•Êl Finished
.. Narn e•Dant Gondolin Finished
… Of Tuor and the Fall of Gondolin Finished

. 33 Of the Voyage of Eärendil Finished
.. Orthad en•Êl Finished
. 34 Of the Great Battle and the War of Wrath Finished
.. Of the Last End of the Oath of Fëanor and his Sons Finished
.. Of the Passing of the Elves Finished
.. The Second Prophecy of Mandos Finished

volume 2: NÚMENOR AND THE HISTORY OF MIDDLE-EARTH

The Black Years Priv. Draft
. The Sindarin Princes of the Silvan Elves Priv. Draft
.. * * * Priv. Draft
. Relations of the Longbeard Dwarves and Men Priv. Draft
. A description of the island of Númenor Priv. Draft
.. * * * Priv. Draft
. Aldarion and Erendis Priv. Draft
.. The Mariner's Wife Priv. Draft
.. * * * Priv. Draft
.. The Further Course of the Narrative Priv. Draft
. Concerning Galadriel and Celeborn First Draft
. The Port of Lond Dear Priv. Draft
. Glorfindel Priv. Draft
. Note on the landing of the Five Wizards and their functions and operations Priv. Draft
. Of the Rings of Power Priv. Draft
. Tal-Elmar Priv. Draft
. Akallabêth Priv. Draft
.. * * *{The Lost Road Chapter III} Priv. Draft
.. * * *{. The Lost Road Chapter IV} Priv. Draft
.. * * * Priv. Draft
.. * * * Priv. Draft
. The Last Alliance Priv. Draft
The Third Age Untouched
. Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age Untouched
. Of the Disaster of the Gladden Fields First Draft
.. The Sources of the Legend of Isildurs Death First Draft
. The Annals of the Kings and Rulers Untouched
. Cirion and Eorl Untouched
. The Quest for Erebor Untouched
. The Battle of the Fords of Isen Untouched
. The Hunt for the Ring Untouched
. The New Shadow Untouched


volume 3: THE LORE OF THE WISE
Laws and Customs Among the Eldar First Draft
. Of Naming First Draft
. Of Death and the Severance of Fëa and Hröa First Draft
. Of Re-birth and Others Dooms of Those That Go to Mandos First Draft
. Of the Severance of Marriage First Draft
. The Statute of Finwë and Míriel First Draft
. The Convers of Manwë and Eru First Draft

Ambrakanta Draft
. Of the Fashion of the World Draft
.. Rúmil Draft
. Maps and Diagramms Untouched

The Lhammas Untouched
. Language Trees Untouched

Essekenta Eldarinwa Untouched
Quendi and the Eldar Untouched

Of Lembas Untouched

Dangweth Pengolodh Priv. Draft

Óssanwë Kenta Untouched

Assorted Poems Untouched

The Line of Elros and the Kings of Númenor Priv. Draft

The Istari Untouched

The Geneologies Untouched

Scholarly Notes and Essays
. Commentary on the Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth First Draft
. A Note on the Stars First Draft
. Notes on Motives in the Silmarillion First Draft
. {Of }Aman{ and Mortal Men} First Draft
. The Palantíri First Draft
. A Note on Númenórean Linear Measures First Draft

Respectfully
Findegil