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ArcusCalion · 10-09-2017, 03:00 PM

SA-EX-05: I feel that the insert from Q&E earlier would serve no purpose if we then use Moriquendi, after it was already said that this name was never used.

SA-EX-05.5: agreed.

SA-EX-06.5: agreed.

SA-EX-07.2: agreed to the insert, but I am still strongly in favor of using Argon. It is said that this version of his name was made in retrospect for the retelling of his valor, and is that not exactly what this is? a retelling of his valiant deed written long afterwards? Besides, all the names of the Noldor are given in Sindarin form, even before they came to Beleriand.

SA-EX-07.5 agreed.

SA-EX-16: agreed.

SA-EX-17: agreed.

SA-EX-19, 20: I agree that this fits very naturally here, but beyond this, what is the reasoning for moving it? Is it simply due to Grey Annals chronology? if so that makes sense, and I agree.

SA-EX-21: agreed.

Findegil · 10-09-2017, 03:11 PM

SA-EX-07.2 Argon: If you are adamant on changing it, then we wil change it her and in the Atrabeth.

SA-EX-19 and SA-EX-20: The reason to move this, is that Finrod had the help of the Naugrim, while in the old place Caranthir meet the Dwarves after Nargothrond was full wraught.

Respectfully
Findegil

ArcusCalion · 10-09-2017, 03:19 PM

SA-EX-07.2: I do feel pretty strongly about it, but we could wait for Aiwendil to make his way through the drafts to this point and give his opinion.

SA-EX-19, 20: agreed then

ArcusCalion · 10-09-2017, 03:21 PM

In addition, I believe you inserted Argon into the FoN chapter as well, so it would need to be changed there too.

Findegil · 10-09-2017, 03:27 PM

True, and I found it there as well.

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Findegil

ArcusCalion · 10-09-2017, 07:38 PM

I just realized, if we add the Battle of Lammoth into the story, must we not change the numbers of the later battles? from the Third to the Fourth etc? or is this to be like the later battle in the same region, which was considered too small to count?

Findegil · 10-10-2017, 04:14 AM

I would say it is not one of the great numbered battles. Only a part of the Noldor were involved and it seemed to be a fast victory. There are other examples of battels not counted:
- The attack on Hithlum from the west
- The first coming of Glaurung
- The attack on Hithlum in which Galdor was killed
- The attack on the Falas
- The Fall of Dor-Cúrathol
- The Fall of Nargothrond
- The Fall of Gondolin
The criterium seems to be how many of the Elves are involved.

Respectfully
Findegil

10-09-2017, 03:00 PM	#1
ArcusCalion Quentingolmo Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 525	SA-EX-05: I feel that the insert from Q&E earlier would serve no purpose if we then use Moriquendi, after it was already said that this name was never used. SA-EX-05.5: agreed. SA-EX-06.5: agreed. SA-EX-07.2: agreed to the insert, but I am still strongly in favor of using Argon. It is said that this version of his name was made in retrospect for the retelling of his valor, and is that not exactly what this is? a retelling of his valiant deed written long afterwards? Besides, all the names of the Noldor are given in Sindarin form, even before they came to Beleriand. SA-EX-07.5 agreed. SA-EX-16: agreed. SA-EX-17: agreed. SA-EX-19, 20: I agree that this fits very naturally here, but beyond this, what is the reasoning for moving it? Is it simply due to Grey Annals chronology? if so that makes sense, and I agree. SA-EX-21: agreed.

10-09-2017, 03:11 PM	#2
Findegil King's Writer Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,721	SA-EX-07.2 Argon: If you are adamant on changing it, then we wil change it her and in the Atrabeth. SA-EX-19 and SA-EX-20: The reason to move this, is that Finrod had the help of the Naugrim, while in the old place Caranthir meet the Dwarves after Nargothrond was full wraught. Respectfully Findegil

10-09-2017, 03:19 PM	#3
ArcusCalion Quentingolmo Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 525	SA-EX-07.2: I do feel pretty strongly about it, but we could wait for Aiwendil to make his way through the drafts to this point and give his opinion. SA-EX-19, 20: agreed then

10-09-2017, 03:21 PM	#4
ArcusCalion Quentingolmo Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 525	In addition, I believe you inserted Argon into the FoN chapter as well, so it would need to be changed there too.

10-09-2017, 03:27 PM	#5
Findegil King's Writer Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,721	True, and I found it there as well. Respectfully Findegil

10-09-2017, 07:38 PM	#6
ArcusCalion Quentingolmo Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 525	I just realized, if we add the Battle of Lammoth into the story, must we not change the numbers of the later battles? from the Third to the Fourth etc? or is this to be like the later battle in the same region, which was considered too small to count?

10-10-2017, 04:14 AM	#7
Findegil King's Writer Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,721	I would say it is not one of the great numbered battles. Only a part of the Noldor were involved and it seemed to be a fast victory. There are other examples of battels not counted: - The attack on Hithlum from the west - The first coming of Glaurung - The attack on Hithlum in which Galdor was killed - The attack on the Falas - The Fall of Dor-Cúrathol - The Fall of Nargothrond - The Fall of Gondolin The criterium seems to be how many of the Elves are involved. Respectfully Findegil