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ArcusCalion · 10-26-2017, 11:12 AM

I have a comment about the change Kalakiryan -> Calacirya

In "the Road Goes Ever On" Tolkien glosses "Calaciryan, Calaciryandë as "the region of Eldamar (Elvenhome) in and near the entrance to the ravine, where the Light was brighter and the land more beautiful" It is theorized that -yandë is a Quenya suffix meaning "place of" or "land" which is rarely used, as it appears only in words like Valariandë and Ossiriandë. In the Sindarin, however, it is more common as -ian or -ien, and appears in many place names. Thus, the term: Calaciryan would appear to be a valid term in the final understanding, in reference to the land around the Calacirya. Should this be changed in our texts to reflect this?

Findegil · 10-26-2017, 05:39 PM

I would say yes if the reference is to the land around and not to the ravine.

Respectfully
Findegil

Aiwendil · 10-26-2017, 07:58 PM

Ah, so Calaciryan (or the long form Calaciryande) is the surrounding land, while the Calacirya is the pass itself. That seems to make sense.

ArcusCalion · 11-19-2017, 09:30 PM

A minor change, but the Quenya version of Thingol given in LQ (Singollo) was replaced in Q&E with Sindicollo. We should make a general change throughout. It is only used three times I believe, so it is not a major change.

ArcusCalion · 02-06-2018, 12:35 AM

Another minor question, but in the Notes from the Shibboleth (by far the latest notes on the subject as far as I can tell) Orodreth (given as an altered form of Rodreth) was replaced. This is how we have edited it in the current draft:

Quote:

Quenya Artaher (stem artaher-) 'noble lord' was correctly Sindarized as Arothír. (altered to Orodreth because of his love of the mountains.)

However, the parenthetical section was taken from a reference to the earlier name Rodreth, and now that this has changed, it does not make sense. Should we then change all occurrences of Orodreth to Arothír (with the long í as per the VT41 SF notes)?

Findegil · 02-13-2018, 08:00 AM

I have taken up {Singollo}[Sindicollo]. But for Orordreth we used the argument that the names must be valid sitll since we have ruler of Gondor called by the same name.

Respectfully
Findegil

ArcusCalion · 02-13-2018, 05:24 PM

While I see the logic that the fact of the name existing for a lord of Gondor proves it's a valid name, I do not see how it makes it any more applicable to Arothir as a name.

10-26-2017, 11:12 AM	#1
ArcusCalion Quentingolmo Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 525	I have a comment about the change Kalakiryan -> Calacirya In "the Road Goes Ever On" Tolkien glosses "Calaciryan, Calaciryandë as "the region of Eldamar (Elvenhome) in and near the entrance to the ravine, where the Light was brighter and the land more beautiful" It is theorized that -yandë is a Quenya suffix meaning "place of" or "land" which is rarely used, as it appears only in words like Valariandë and Ossiriandë. In the Sindarin, however, it is more common as -ian or -ien, and appears in many place names. Thus, the term: Calaciryan would appear to be a valid term in the final understanding, in reference to the land around the Calacirya. Should this be changed in our texts to reflect this?

10-26-2017, 05:39 PM	#2
Findegil King's Writer Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,721	I would say yes if the reference is to the land around and not to the ravine. Respectfully Findegil

10-26-2017, 07:58 PM	#3
Aiwendil Late Istar Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 2,224	Ah, so Calaciryan (or the long form Calaciryande) is the surrounding land, while the Calacirya is the pass itself. That seems to make sense.

11-19-2017, 09:30 PM	#4
ArcusCalion Quentingolmo Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 525	A minor change, but the Quenya version of Thingol given in LQ (Singollo) was replaced in Q&E with Sindicollo. We should make a general change throughout. It is only used three times I believe, so it is not a major change.

02-13-2018, 08:00 AM	#6
Findegil King's Writer Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,721	I have taken up {Singollo}[Sindicollo]. But for Orordreth we used the argument that the names must be valid sitll since we have ruler of Gondor called by the same name. Respectfully Findegil

02-13-2018, 05:24 PM	#7
ArcusCalion Quentingolmo Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 525	While I see the logic that the fact of the name existing for a lord of Gondor proves it's a valid name, I do not see how it makes it any more applicable to Arothir as a name.