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Old 12-05-2017, 10:05 AM   #1
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Gems are not mentioned until this paragraph, and it is said that they were first discovered by the Noldor by digging in the earth. If they were naturally embedded in the walls of the Calacirya, they would have discovered them immediately. Therefore they must be manually embedded.

As far as the English goes, the sentence itself does not specify. It could mean they were there, or that they were put there.
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Old 12-05-2017, 10:49 AM   #2
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Ok, thats fine, thank you.
One thing I had not noticed before. In

EPE-EX-13{In Valinor they first contrived .... were enriched.}<QS rewritten And in all crafts of hand they delighted also; .... and the halls of the {Gods}[Valar] in Valinor were enriched.

would it be not better to include the passage of AAm year 1149 mixed with the account of LQ?
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Old 12-06-2017, 02:28 PM   #3
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Well, I am not that sure that the gems were not 'naturally' embeded in the walls. Since Gems were no longer invented by the Noldor, It is more then possible that Aule when building the Calacirya placed the Gems just below surface so that when the Noldor learned how to read the signs where to find Gems they diged a bit here and there and freed the Gems but let them be where they were.

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Old 12-06-2017, 03:03 PM   #4
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Well, I suppose that we must make differwnces between gems as raw and jewels as worked pieces.
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Old 12-06-2017, 04:08 PM   #5
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To be honest, I think the passage as I inserted it leaves things ambiguous enough that both readings are possible
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Old 12-09-2017, 06:34 PM   #6
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Yes, true. I was not arguing for any diffrent editing, I just gave my oppinion about the matter.

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Old 02-06-2018, 12:38 AM   #7
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Found a tiny tidbit again, in the VT41 notes on the Shibboleth:
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Nerdanel herself had brown hair and a ruddy complexion.
I propose we add this in here:
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EPE-EX-34 <SF marginal note VT 41 Elves did not have beards until they entered their third cycle of life.> He usually wore a band of copper about his head. His hair was not as dark or black as was that of most of the Noldor, but brown, and had glints of coppery-red in it. EPE-EX-34.5 <SF marginal note VT41 Nerdanel herself had brown hair and a ruddy complexion.> Of Nerdanel's seven ...
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