Thirty silver pennies in a fundamentally religious and Catholic work - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Balfrog · 01-14-2018, 03:03 PM

Huinesoron

"The fact that 'thirty pieces of silver' is such an obvious source for the 30 silver pennies led me to start looking for other possible explanations (what can I say? I'm contrary)."

Yes – now the author points it out – it sounds obvious. But I haven't see any published books by the so called 'experts' that have mentioned it before. Nor do I see anything much on the forums out there. Indeed, hardly anything at all. So maybe not so obvious???

By the way - love the way you think. Except Aragorn was referred to as “crownless” not 'half-a-crownless'. Which would lead me to deduce that Tolkien thought the matter was binary – i.e either fully a King or fully not.

lindil

" I will take your version H!

The gospel reference just doesn't fit."

Really - that seems so definitive!
Love to see an explanation.

Saurondil

"Seems to me either too far-fetched, or mistaking the things of common life for specifically Christian allusions."

I must say that first sentence puts me off reading the rest of your post – even though by its length – I know you put some decent effort in.

So really???
Thirty silver pennies and its connection biblically – is something Tolkien would have been unaware of???

How's about a mixture of subtle and not so subtle symbolic embedments?
Is that beyond belief - or do we all know Tolkien so well that we can definitively say one way or the other?

When it comes to:

“… the religious element is absorbed into the story and the symbolism.”
– The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien, Letter #142

Then the 30 silver pennies it's either a logical fit or not.
I'm not a rocket-scientist – but I don't think I need to be one to arrive at a rational conclusion.

lindil, Huinesoron, Saurondil

I think its worthwhile reading Ms. Seth's post again - and carefully. The insertion of specific amounts of coinage along with type - is extremely rare in TLotR. Just on that basis one can reasonably deduce there was something behind it.

01-14-2018, 03:03 PM	#5
Balfrog Haunting Spirit Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 87	Huinesoron "The fact that 'thirty pieces of silver' is such an obvious source for the 30 silver pennies led me to start looking for other possible explanations (what can I say? I'm contrary)." Yes – now the author points it out – it sounds obvious. But I haven't see any published books by the so called 'experts' that have mentioned it before. Nor do I see anything much on the forums out there. Indeed, hardly anything at all. So maybe not so obvious??? By the way - love the way you think. Except Aragorn was referred to as “crownless” not 'half-a-crownless'. Which would lead me to deduce that Tolkien thought the matter was binary – i.e either fully a King or fully not. lindil " I will take your version H! The gospel reference just doesn't fit." Really - that seems so definitive! Love to see an explanation. Saurondil "Seems to me either too far-fetched, or mistaking the things of common life for specifically Christian allusions." I must say that first sentence puts me off reading the rest of your post – even though by its length – I know you put some decent effort in. So really??? Thirty silver pennies and its connection biblically – is something Tolkien would have been unaware of??? How's about a mixture of subtle and not so subtle symbolic embedments? Is that beyond belief - or do we all know Tolkien so well that we can definitively say one way or the other? When it comes to: “… the religious element is absorbed into the story and the symbolism.” – The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien, Letter #142 Then the 30 silver pennies it's either a logical fit or not. I'm not a rocket-scientist – but I don't think I need to be one to arrive at a rational conclusion. lindil, Huinesoron, Saurondil I think its worthwhile reading Ms. Seth's post again - and carefully. The insertion of specific amounts of coinage along with type - is extremely rare in TLotR. Just on that basis one can reasonably deduce there was something behind it.