6 Of Eldamar and the Princes of the Eldalië

[Findegil]

Agreed.

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Findegil

[ArcusCalion]

I forgot to include this in the last post, but I also found another addition from the Lost Tales (very small). I placed it immediately after EPE-EX-13.5:

EPE-EX-13.7 <LT Sapphires in great wonder were given to Manwë and his raiment was crusted with them, and Oromë had a belt of emeralds, but Yavanna loved all the gems, and Aulë’s delight was in diamonds and amethysts.>

[Findegil]

EPE-EX-13.7: Agreed. Good finding.

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Findegil

[Arvegil145]

So...apparently, the new issue of Parma Eldalamberon (PE 23) gives us the name of Teleporno's father: Gilitīro (in Telerin) or Gildír (sindarinized).

The reason I mentioned 'Teleporno' and not 'Celeborn' was that in this conception he was an Elf of Aman - however, I don't know if this was the conception where Celeborn was a grandson of Olwe or not. If Celeborn was here meant as a grandson of Olwe, that would mean that Gilitiro/Gildir was one of Olwe's sons; and even though this project treats Celeborn as a Sinda descended from Elmo, I think having a name for one of the sons of Olwe would be great.

Mind you, I don't actually possess PE 23 at the moment but the information above comes from a source I trust a lot.

[Findegil]

Teleporno being the son of Gilitiro and Teleporono being the grandson of Olwe, does not necessarily mean that Gilitiro is the son of Olwe. Gilitiro could as well be the husband of an unamed daughter of Olwe.

For that matter, as a "combiner" to the core you could even argue that Gilitiro could be still a son of Elmo, thus making Teleprono a desendent of Elmo and a grandson of Olwe. Not that I say that is how it was.

But to say Gilitiro is a son of Olwe is to bold a statement in view of what we know.

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Findegil

[Arvegil145]

Originally Posted by Findegil

Teleporno being the son of Gilitiro and Teleporono being the grandson of Olwe, does not necessarily mean that Gilitiro is the son of Olwe. Gilitiro could as well be the husband of an unamed daughter of Olwe.

For that matter, as a "combiner" to the core you could even argue that Gilitiro could be still a son of Elmo, thus making Teleprono a desendent of Elmo and a grandson of Olwe. Not that I say that is how it was.

But to say Gilitiro is a son of Olwe is to bold a statement in view of what we know.

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Findegil

Just so that you and everyone else has the full context, here's the full passage from PE 23, p. 143:

[...] names and titles and patronymics, as Galadriel Hiril, the Lady Galadriel; Elbereth Gilthoniel; Celeborn Gildírion, C. son of Gildír (Sindarized form of his father’s Telerin name Gilitīro ‘starwatcher’).