Durin's Folk

[ArcusCalion]

This is perfect, agreed.

[ArcusCalion]

When applying the general change {Broadbeams}[Broad-beams] etc, I discovered a portion of the Dwarves and Men essay removed bc it was placed in the First Age chapters and referenced events in the Third Age, but I think it is an interesting tidbit. I am not sure how to place it into this chapter, but I think it should be added. I have shown it here as a footnote, even though I know Findegil has said creating footnotes is against the methods of the project. However, I am unsure where else to place it. If anyone can find a better place please feel free to share:

When all was ready they assailed and sacked one by one all the strongholds of the Orcs that they could from Gundabad DF-SL-05.5 <Dwarves and Men placed in a footnote [Footnote: Mount Gundabad {(in origin a Khûzdul name), which} was {therefore} revered by the Dwarves, and its occupation in the Third Age by the {Orks}[Orcs] of Sauron was one of the chief reasons for their great hatred of the {Orks}[Orcs].]> to the Gladden.

[Findegil]

The place seems good to me, but why shouldn’t we take it up into the main body of the text:

… DF-SL-05.5b <[b]Dwarves and Men placed in a footnote [Footnote: Mount Gundabad {(in origin a Khûzdul name), which} was {therefore} revered by the Dwarves, and its occupation in the Third Age by the {Orks}[Orcs] of Sauron was one of the chief reasons for their great hatred of the {Orks}[Orcs].]> ...

Respectfully
Findegil

[ArcusCalion]

Where did you want to put it? As far as I can tell you just put the same thing i already had, including the footnote bit.

[Findegil]

Sorry, bad preparation of the posting on my side. The following was meant:

Thráin at once sent messengers bearing the tale, north, east, and west; but it was three years before the Dwarves had mustered their strength. Durin’s Folk gathered all their host, and they were joined by great forces sent from the Houses of other Fathers; for this dishonor to the heir of the Eldest of their race filled them with wrath. DF-SL-05.5b <Dwarves and Men Mount Gundabad {(in origin a Khûzdul name), which} was {therefore} revered by the Dwarves, and its occupation in the Third Age by the {Orks}[Orcs] of Sauron was one of the chief reasons for their great hatred of the {Orks}[Orcs].> But the Dwarves had the victory through their strength, and their matchless weapons, and the fire of their anger, as they hunted for Azog in every den under mountain.

Respectfully
Findegil

[ArcusCalion]

Ah this is much better! Agreed

[gandalf85]

I really like the additions of the sections about the aftermath of the War of the Dwarves and Orcs, even though it doesn't strictly concern Durin's Folk. It creates a nice sense of continuity and connectedness with the previous chapters about Rohan and Gondor. Some comments:

1) There is some more information about Dwarven culture in HoME 12: Making of Appendix A (IV) Durin's Folk:

As for the men, very many also do not desire marriage, being engrossed in their crafts.> DF-SL-06 <Making of Appendix A {It is then said that} Dwarves marry late, seldom before they are ninety or more, {that} and they have few children (so many as four being rare).{, and continues:} To these they are devoted, often rather fiercely: that is, they may treat them with apparent harshness (especially in the desire to ensure that they shall grow up tough, hardy, unyielding), but they defend them with all their power, and resent injuries to them even more than to themselves. The same is true of the attitude of children to parents. For an injury to a father a Dwarf may spend a life-time in achieving revenge. P{Since the 'kings' or heads of lines are regarded as 'parents' of the whole group, it will be understood how it was that the whole of Durin's Race gathered and marshalled itself to avenge Thror.}>

There needed to be slight editing at the beginning to remove Christopher's editorial insertions. The last sentence spoils the death of Thror, and I think I found a way to integrate it later on:

Thráin at once sent messengers bearing the tale, north, east, and west; but it was three years before the Dwarves had mustered their strength. DF-SL-07 <Making of Appendix A Since the 'kings' or heads of lines are regarded as 'parents' of the whole group, {it will be understood how it was that} the whole of Durin's Race gathered and marshalled itself to avenge Thror.> {Durin’s Folk gathered all their host, and t} They were joined by great forces sent from the Houses of other Fathers; for this dishonor to the heir of the Eldest of their race filled them with wrath...

There are a few extra details we can also add from the Making of Appendix A which I think fit nicely:

Now they had fair halls in the mountains, and store of goods, and their days did not seem so hard, though in their songs they spoke ever of the Lonely Mountain {far away} DF-SL-08 <Making of Appendix A and the wealth and bliss of the Great Hall and the light of the Arkenstone.>

2) Typo tyme:

It was therefore perhaps partly by the malice of the Ring that Thráin after same years ...

"same" should be "some"

There he was tormented and the Ring taken from him, and them at last he died.

"them" should be "then"

...and the vengeance upon the Dragon the he had inherited...

"the he" should be "that he"