* * Valaquenta Some proposals for a new project ... * *

[ArcusCalion]

Perhaps "He was the greatest power created by Eru."

[Findegil]

Vala:
That dosn’t sound right either to me, since it would suggest that there were other creators. To be honest, I do not see the need to remove the redundance between the text and the footnote. It is not a full redundance; otherwise the footnote would useless. In the way it stands the footnote does make the message more specific.

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Findegil

[ArcusCalion]

It does not suggest that at all to be honest, I'm not sure what you're getting at. I was more concerned with the flow of it, since at the moment it is very awkward.

[Findegil]

Vala-07.23: What exactly is awakward on the sentence?

For he was the greatest power under Eru (that means the greatest created power).

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Findegil

[ArcusCalion]

Ah i missed the parentheses and the 'that means.' this does make it flow better.

[Arvegil145]

I found an interesting passage in PE 15, p. 96:

Eriol asks innocently is not Aule him that we call Wéland and they (Rúmil?) laughing says no and tells of Velindo or Gwilion the fay - one of Aule's folk who was sent by Aule into the world to fetch at his need some of the good heavy red gold of the dwarves.

There his pride swelled by reason of the amazement of men and dwarves at his skill; and he never returned to Aule but set up on his own - and was once famous far and wide but with the fading of the fairies his power has waned.

He was not wicked but very vain - Eriol touches on the Böðvildr legend and Rúmil says that if it is true it shows the vanity of Wéland (Niðhad must be a dwarf king).

Mind you, in the early legendarium 'fays' were the precursors of the Maiar.

If we take away the references to Eriol and Rumil, and replace 'fairies' with 'Elves', I think we can incorporate this passage into TNS.

[Findegil]

When back in 2004 Rumohir suggested some additions from Bolt_1 to the section Of The Valar the project rejected them. Back then I was the main oposing voice. But my main argument was that they did not fit the later seperation of Valar and Maiar in The Valaquenta. That argument is still true for the palcement that Rumohir suggested. But I would be open to such additions from Bolt_1 or other sources, her in the Of the Maiar part, if we can incooperat them nicely. (But looking back to the history of this project, we changed a reference to the 'Manir and Suruli' to the more general 'Maiar'. Nonethelss we included the Eärni after some discussion that I could not find right now.)

And in this special case I see a issue with the passge from PE 15: How do we work with the references to Wéland, Böðvildr and Niðhad? They are fully okay in the context of Eriol/Ælfwine talking to Rúmil, but without Ælfwine, how could we explain such references to 'other/outer manish legends'?

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Findegil