Parts of the movies criticized that you liked anyway

[Rhun charioteer]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

One change that I like about the movies is a little minor word swap that I think makes the quote sound better. In the book Gandalf says "You cannot pass", while in the movie it's "You shall not pass". I think the latter sounds better, and in a way is more true in their situation. Gandalf doesn't know if the Balrog can or can't pass, the whole point of their duel was that the Balrog was an evenly matched if not more powerful adversary, and it required all of Gandalf's power to not let him win. Gandalf could be speaking with more knowledge and authority than his limited mortal form - perhaps believing that Eru would not allow the Balrog to destroy the mission or some such, but I think it's a stretch and it takes away from Gandalf's own sacrifice. "Shall", on the other hand, is a promise rather than a statement; even though the Balrog may actually be able to pass, he still will not. As a byproduct, this phrasing also puts more emphasis on Gandalf's heroic role in the scene.

So yes, this is the only quote I can think of that I like better in the movie than the book.

That has to be my favorite change as well.

And I agree this scene really underlies Gandalf speaking with authority-he introduces himself, and commands the Balrog to "go back to the shadow".

[Nerwen]

Rhun charioteer, I take it you mean aspects of the films that are often targets of criticism? Well, I'll second a couple of other people: losing Tom Bombadil and Glorfindel- not because I have anything against either of them but because it was a good idea to reduce the number of characters and subplots rather than trying to cram them all in.

There's a lot of little changes that mostly go unnoticed and undiscussed rather than criticised, but I guess that's not what you're talking about?

[William Cloud Hicklin]

On the other hand, there was a minor word-change that irritates me: the replacement of Tolkien's consistent beer with D&D/Renfaire-speak ale.

And, please don't come over on me with the post-medieval date of lagering or the fact that traditional British beers are ales or that ale is an Anglo-Saxon word: Tolkien didn't use words by accident and he chose to use beer. That PBJ "knew better" is just one indicator of their tone-deafness overall.